Achemarci
New Member
Milton line has 1 more train than 35 years ago. Meanwhile even Allandale Waterfront GO gets more than train service than Milton GO......
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T3G
Senior Member
Milton is not the only GO service in Mississauga though, so I don't see how this is valid as a 1:1 comparison.
I don't know what GO is expected to do; we live in a country that allows freight operators to hold passenger trains operating on their network hostage, this is the result. Good luck trying to change that. The only thing that can be done is to either expand the corridor, at great cost, to give GO their own tracks, or build a bypass for CP so that they exit the Galt sub. Both would be incredibly expensive, long term projects. If superior service can be achieved to Kitchener at cheaper cost in the interim, are they supposed to not do so, out of respect to the people who live along the Milton line?
As I keep saying - do yourself a favour and get a car. No matter how much we want to pretend to be supporters of transit, there are many use cases where that won't be a feasible option for decades to come. Rejoice that the option of tearing down the Gardiner has been taken away from Toronto. Small victories.
I don't know what GO is expected to do; we live in a country that allows freight operators to hold passenger trains operating on their network hostage, this is the result. Good luck trying to change that. The only thing that can be done is to either expand the corridor, at great cost, to give GO their own tracks, or build a bypass for CP so that they exit the Galt sub. Both would be incredibly expensive, long term projects. If superior service can be achieved to Kitchener at cheaper cost in the interim, are they supposed to not do so, out of respect to the people who live along the Milton line?
As I keep saying - do yourself a favour and get a car. No matter how much we want to pretend to be supporters of transit, there are many use cases where that won't be a feasible option for decades to come. Rejoice that the option of tearing down the Gardiner has been taken away from Toronto. Small victories.
sixrings
Senior Member
Port credit is resistant to development. Almost exclusively all the development is at MCC where there isn’t NIMBYs. So the fact that there is another GO line doesn’t help most of the people who would use the system. And it’s a slap in the face that those with less finances have to go to the “rich” area to get better service.
I would argue yes GO should stop spending money to service places like Kitchener if they can’t get places like Mississauga right first. It does cost money to service these places and every dollar spent there is money not being used to correct the Milton situation.
You can add every stop between Brampton and Kitchener and you just get to about the Mississauga population. That’s a problem.
Have two cars. Thanks. The idea of transit is not to only get people who don’t have cars to use it but to get people who have cars to leave theirs at home. These people we refer to as choice riders. This is what successful transit looks like anyways.
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T3G
Senior Member
I know all about the concepts behind transit.
My point is that the result you are pushing for requires a ton of money and dedication and no one really seems interested in taking it up. In the meantime, crying foul over Kitchener getting all day service feels like sour grapes. It's not Kitchener's fault that they are situated on a corridor where that can be achieved easier than Mississauga and Milton.
sixrings
Senior Member
Bordercollie
Senior Member
But wouldn't RTC know that the train ran a red light
crs1026
Superstar
The big next move has to be counter peak rush hour trains. The first Kitchener train out of Toronto is not til after 09:00, arriving too close to noon.
Watch to see if the Guelph and Acton sidings get done this year. And CN may not approve bidirectional service at peak until more work gets done east of Silver.
Frankly, adding a few rush hour trains and Bramalea turns is not that impressive for a line that had its last major upgrade ten years ago.
But maybe we are getting close….
- Paul
crs1026
Superstar
They would get an indication on their panel, but its meaning would be ambiguous and would need a radio call or two to find out what was going on. And that’s if they had nothing else distracting them. By then, the worst would have happened.
- Paul
nfitz
Superstar
That's good to see. After the delay in the transfer of operations to the new operator, I'd assumed there'd not be new staff to add new services.
Also, I've noticed a surprising number of platform misses lately, where the train stops, and then has to start moving again to get the accessible door in the right place. Which I assume is a symptom of new operators.
cbrown2009
Active Member
I would love to see 30 minute weekend service, even if only as far as Bramalea (alternating Bramalea and Mount Pleasant terminuses) in the short-to-medium term. I mean, if Lakeshore can get up to 15 minute frequencies weekend afternoons, why not....? Also start of weekend train service earlier, say 6 or 7am...
drum118
Superstar
It boils down to ridership numbers with the Lakeshore being #1. If the numbers are not there to justify 30 minutes, then it has to be hourly regardless you want more.
Service should start earlier on all lines as there are things going on on the weekend that you may miss something with service starting later, especially if you are taking part in it.
Until there are shorter trains for weekend with good ridership, it is the cost of the crews as well the equipment to put more service on line for a small number of riders.
smallspy
Senior Member
Sure.
But if there is a fault drops a red on a train, the RTC wouldn't see that - only the alarm that a train had run a red.
Dan
crs1026
Superstar
To nitpick a bit on a technical level..... what the RTC would see is simply an indication that the track beyond the red signal has become occupied. And possibly, if the train entered an interlocking and ran through one or more switches that were not aligned, a further indication that the switches are now out of correspondence.
If a second train were already lined and cleared into the route that the errant train has now occupied, the occupancy event would force the permissive signal the second train is approaching to red. This happens in the field equipment and not in the office. The field equipment would then inform the RTC's panel, and the RTC would see that the signal which they had previously cleared has now changed to red.
If the second train were already close to the interlocking, it would not be clear to the RTC that the first train was the one that overshot. The panle would simply show that the interlocking, and the blocks on either side of it, are all occupied. If the RTC was not watching when the indications were changing, they would not have noticed how things played out.
The RTC might surmise that the explanation for this is that the first train overshot the red signal, but that is not the only explanation. And this might happen while the RTC is concentrating on some other task or part of their territory, so the penny might not drop right away. And if it did, they would likely make a radio call to investigate. But in real time, the overshooting train or the approaching second train might already be initiating an emergency radio broadcast, or bad things might already have happened. There may be nothing the RTC could do except watch and listen and react.
- Paul
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dowlingm
Senior Member
America has multiple systems, not one system. Amtrak has to equip many of its locomotives with more than one system (ACSES, ICTS, I-ETMS…) https://railroads.dot.gov/train-control/ptc/ptc-system-information
Hopefully our ETCS rollout will dovetail nicely with a 5G implementation timeframe https://www.theregister.com/2025/03/11/unused_spectrum_rail_esn/
urbancog
Active Member
Boarded the 08:42 Kitchener to Union at Georgetown on Thursday. It was a 6-car consist and almost all seats were already full. By the time we reached Brampton all the standing space was also full and the CS guy was berating people for holding the doors open. "Please get the next train". Sure folks are going to let the train leave and wait 3 full hours for the next one. /s
Which is to say, there's already demand and it will continue to increase as more housing is added all along the line.
