ARG1
Senior Member
"way better" is probably an exaggeration. Look at what York Region was able to pull off with BRT running every 30m
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Thaboss
Active Member
EELRT should be killed unless it's fully grade separated or significantly so which seems very unlikely to me
Steve X
Senior Member
I been saying that they need to grade separate the Kingston Rd, Lawrence and morningside intersection. Remove some left turns and use two stage crossing. Figure out how to implement transit priority before building.
Aplus23
Active Member
this is what I'd vote for. Scarborough would greatly benefit from this.
Midtown Urbanist
Superstar
I am catching up over the past year's worth of posts in this thread and this below, wow.
So you are telling me they figured this out in Toronto a century ago. Progress truly is not always linear.At least part of the Eglinton East LRT would follow part of the former Kingston Road Radial line. Note that the radial line was on its own right-of-way. When they abandoned the radial line, they widened Kingston Road paving over the right-of-way to make for more lanes for the automobile.
They should post the old Kingston Radial "stop numbers" on the LRT stops along Kingston Road. If we can find historical references to the stop numbers.
DirectionNorth
Senior Member
I wonder if the best solution to Eglinton East LRT, rather than trying to recreate the Eglinton-Kingston-Morningside route, is a combination of the McCowan-Eglinton infill suggested by @Northern Light (no doubt by other people as well) and an upgrade to Lakeshore East GO, with an improved connection at Danforth GO for Line 2 transfers. Spend some time with the remaining RapidTO lanes and work out ways to smooth the bus flow through the chokepoints.
Of course, we would need to avoid a reprise of Smarttrack and the Railpath's questionable accounting. But even if this thing runs 20 km/h, which seems questionable with the TTC hanging around, it's not a lot of travel time improvement for the cost, and it just does not justify the cost of grade separation - GO is half the travel time from Guildwood to Main Street, which would be a good connection if only the frequency was every ten minutes or less instead of thirty.
The downsides to this late night crayon are Malvern and UTSC. Malvern could conceivably be served by adding the 133 Neilson and maybe the 131 Nugget to the 10 minute network. I will admit that I have no solution for UTSC off my head. Otherwise, riders headed to Eglinton or local destinations could continue to ride the bus while those going anywhere west of ~Victoria Park would transfer to GO.
No doubt I will wake up tomorrow morning with another even crazier "idea".
Of course, we would need to avoid a reprise of Smarttrack and the Railpath's questionable accounting. But even if this thing runs 20 km/h, which seems questionable with the TTC hanging around, it's not a lot of travel time improvement for the cost, and it just does not justify the cost of grade separation - GO is half the travel time from Guildwood to Main Street, which would be a good connection if only the frequency was every ten minutes or less instead of thirty.
The downsides to this late night crayon are Malvern and UTSC. Malvern could conceivably be served by adding the 133 Neilson and maybe the 131 Nugget to the 10 minute network. I will admit that I have no solution for UTSC off my head. Otherwise, riders headed to Eglinton or local destinations could continue to ride the bus while those going anywhere west of ~Victoria Park would transfer to GO.
Dan416
Senior Member
I would definitely scrap it in its current form since it's already projected to be slower than the bus. Eglinton and Finch weren't initially supposed to be slower than the bus. So if this one is, scrap it. Rethink it. But an LRT being slower than a bus is unacceptable
denfromoakvillemilton
Senior Member
They should lower the tunnel going through eglinton east and connect it to the crosstown.
Vortex112
New Member
DLR style elevated mini metro with several branches to connect to UTSC, Centennial College, Malvern Centre, the zoo, and back to Scarborough Centre.
KhalilHeron
Active Member
That would speed up that one turn and its definitely the better design option than at-grade for that intersection, but it addresses the main issues with the line. If they grade separated a bunch of major intersections like that and removed a lot of left turns and through traffic at minor ones, you could start to see some real improvement, but that starts to get expensive
I so wish they built a station at Eglinton and Brimley. I believe an Infill station was not accounted for and would be very difficult to add. On top of serving a busy and dense neighbourhood with good development potential, it'd shorten a lot of bus trips coming from the east and make it so you don't have to backtrack to get to STC on the subway coming from Eglinton East.
Obsidian
Active Member
Just build a median running BRT with stations like York Region and upgrade later is the need arises.
No need for extra funding by higher level of government and can be done in a year.
The city needs to get away from subway and LRT building and more into median running BRT only lanes with station platforms.
No need for extra funding by higher level of government and can be done in a year.
The city needs to get away from subway and LRT building and more into median running BRT only lanes with station platforms.