[drum118]

Myers: when the decision is made to remove a stop there's nothing actually stopping the TTC from removing it right?

TTC staff: yes but we typically consult with the local councillor and their staff. The outcome in almost all cases is do not remove our stop


Yes. Spadina stop spacing should be similar to Line 1. Front - King - Queen - Dundas - College - Harbord - (maybe keep Sussex). Remove the traffic lights in between to close off the ROW. Toronto's population has grown too much since the original vision of Spadina streetcar and the speed needs to be increased correspondingly.

The problem with typically consult with the local councillor and their staff is killing the removal of stops that need to be removed. What king of backlash would get over the removal of stops on Spadina that need to be remove as well St Clair??

TTC has already try to removed various stops bit got pushed back by the ward councillors for various routes.

 

[DSCToronto]

The problem with typically consult with the local councillor and their staff is killing the removal of stops that need to be removed. What king of backlash would get over the removal of stops on Spadina that need to be remove as well St Clair??

TTC has already try to removed various stops bit got pushed back by the ward councillors for various routes.

That is exactly what Myers said and it's correct.

 

[AlvinofDiaspar]

That is exactly what Myers said and it's correct.

Perhaps we need a mayor that is willing to take the risk to offend and actually run the city with the powers that she was offered? You can't complain when you divest the power to make a difference to others who are hostile to change.

AoD

 

[duty free]

Myers: when the decision is made to remove a stop there's nothing actually stopping the TTC from removing it right?

TTC staff: yes but we typically consult with the local councillor and their staff. The outcome in almost all cases is do not remove our stop


Yes. Spadina stop spacing should be similar to Line 1. Front - King - Queen - Dundas - College - Harbord - (maybe keep Sussex). Remove the traffic lights in between to close off the ROW. Toronto's population has grown too much since the original vision of Spadina streetcar and the speed needs to be increased correspondingly.

Yes.

It's so simple, yet Toronto city councillors will do everything in their power to actively prevent it from happening. It's too logical.

 

[abovegrade]

This still has to be voted through council next week though. Are you guys optimistic?

 

[DSCToronto]

Yes.

It's so simple, yet Toronto city councillors will do everything in their power to actively prevent it from happening. It's too logical.

Councillors oppose stop closing because nobody wants to see THEIR stop shut and they make their views known! Nobody really writes to councillors to encourage stop closing! Now's your chance!!

 

[txlseries4]

This still has to be voted through council next week though. Are you guys optimistic?

The motion DSC posted a page back from the TTC Board meeting doesn't go to council, it was adopted and rests with the TTC now. But a "complimentary" motion below from the Mayor is on the agenda for council. With the fierce reaction from the public over the opening of Line 6 and fear the same will happen with Line 5, it does seem like there's momentum for politicians to finally support more meaningful measures.

Perhaps attention on the slow streetcars (video comparing T.O to Amsterdam, or the man who outruns streetcars) has struck a nerve and maybe Line 6's opening tipped the scale. Some people online who live in Ward 7 Humber River-Black Creek have received email responses from Councillor Perruzza saying he will support the motion. Here's hoping...

https://secure.toronto.ca/council/agenda-item.do?item=2025.MM35.15

Recommendations​

Mayor Olivia Chow, seconded by Councillor Jamaal Myers, recommends that:

1. City Council direct the City Manager, working with Metrolinx and the Chief Executive Officer, Toronto Transit Commission, to advance implementation of more aggressive, active transit signal priority at intersections along surface portions of the Line 5 Eglinton and Line 6 Finch West, subject to contractual and legal obligations, and to provide an update on progress in the first quarter of 2026.

2. City Council direct the City Manager, working with the Chief Executive Officer, Toronto Transit Commission, to report back in the first quarter of 2026 with a plan, including costs and staffing requirements, to implement further measures that improve streetcar network speed and reliability, including signal timing adjustments, a more aggressive transit signal priority policy, deploying traffic agents at key intersections to prevent blocked streetcars, and recommendations for removing on-street parking and restricting left turns during high-peak periods on key streetcar routes.

3. City Council direct the City Manager, working with the Chief Executive Officer, Toronto Transit Commission, to report back in the first quarter of 2026 with a plan, including costs and staffing requirements, to expedite transit signal priority activations at intersections on the surface transit network where the required technology is not currently installed.

Summary​

On December 7, on a cold morning before the sunrise, hundreds of eager transit aficionados and riders gathered to launch Line 6, the Finch West Light Rail Transit. Opening a new, long-awaited transit line is a big moment for our City. We must ensure the new Finch West Light Rail Transit lives up to the promise of getting our City moving.

The Finch West Finch West Light Rail Transit is projected to have 51,000 riders each day, and bring 230,000 people within walking distance of rapid transit. It will move generations of people across the northwest of our City, connecting them to jobs, education, family and friends with greater ease. It will help reduce congestion on our roads and help people choose transit over driving.

To succeed at the above, the Finch West Finch West Light Rail Transit has to work well. It must be fast and convenient to use. Now that the Toronto Transit Commission has full operational control of the line, the City can help play a role in speeding it up. Transit riders and experts have rightly pointed out that the Finch West Light Rail Transit does not have the active signal priority that’s critical to the successful operation of surface-level rapid transit. We can fix this.

We also need to be prepared for the opening of Line 5 Eglinton, early next year. Transit signal priority will be important to ensure that service meets the expectations of transit riders for whom Line 5 has been long awaited, and the City can start to get prepared now so that transit signal priority can be activated as quickly as possible.

The motions below direct staff to advance implementation of a more aggressive, active signal priority for the Finch West Finch West Light Rail Transit and the Eglinton Crosstown Finch West Light Rail Transit at intersections, so they can travel more quickly and get people moving faster. It also asks staff to expedite work in the other areas of the city that need it, including across our streetcar network.

 

[abovegrade]

The motion DSC posted a page back from the TTC Board meeting doesn't go to council, it was adopted and rests with the TTC now. But a "complimentary" motion below from the Mayor is on the agenda for council. With the fierce reaction from the public over the opening of Line 6 and fear the same will happen with Line 5, it does seem like there's momentum for politicians to finally support more meaningful measures.

Perhaps attention on the slow streetcars (video comparing T.O to Amsterdam, or the man who outruns streetcars) has struck a nerve and maybe Line 6's opening tipped the scale. Some people online who live in Ward 7 Humber River-Black Creek have received email responses from Councillor Perruzza saying he will support the motion. Here's hoping...

https://secure.toronto.ca/council/agenda-item.do?item=2025.MM35.15

Recommendations​

Mayor Olivia Chow, seconded by Councillor Jamaal Myers, recommends that:

1. City Council direct the City Manager, working with Metrolinx and the Chief Executive Officer, Toronto Transit Commission, to advance implementation of more aggressive, active transit signal priority at intersections along surface portions of the Line 5 Eglinton and Line 6 Finch West, subject to contractual and legal obligations, and to provide an update on progress in the first quarter of 2026.

2. City Council direct the City Manager, working with the Chief Executive Officer, Toronto Transit Commission, to report back in the first quarter of 2026 with a plan, including costs and staffing requirements, to implement further measures that improve streetcar network speed and reliability, including signal timing adjustments, a more aggressive transit signal priority policy, deploying traffic agents at key intersections to prevent blocked streetcars, and recommendations for removing on-street parking and restricting left turns during high-peak periods on key streetcar routes.

3. City Council direct the City Manager, working with the Chief Executive Officer, Toronto Transit Commission, to report back in the first quarter of 2026 with a plan, including costs and staffing requirements, to expedite transit signal priority activations at intersections on the surface transit network where the required technology is not currently installed.

Summary​

On December 7, on a cold morning before the sunrise, hundreds of eager transit aficionados and riders gathered to launch Line 6, the Finch West Light Rail Transit. Opening a new, long-awaited transit line is a big moment for our City. We must ensure the new Finch West Light Rail Transit lives up to the promise of getting our City moving.

The Finch West Finch West Light Rail Transit is projected to have 51,000 riders each day, and bring 230,000 people within walking distance of rapid transit. It will move generations of people across the northwest of our City, connecting them to jobs, education, family and friends with greater ease. It will help reduce congestion on our roads and help people choose transit over driving.

To succeed at the above, the Finch West Finch West Light Rail Transit has to work well. It must be fast and convenient to use. Now that the Toronto Transit Commission has full operational control of the line, the City can help play a role in speeding it up. Transit riders and experts have rightly pointed out that the Finch West Light Rail Transit does not have the active signal priority that’s critical to the successful operation of surface-level rapid transit. We can fix this.

We also need to be prepared for the opening of Line 5 Eglinton, early next year. Transit signal priority will be important to ensure that service meets the expectations of transit riders for whom Line 5 has been long awaited, and the City can start to get prepared now so that transit signal priority can be activated as quickly as possible.

The motions below direct staff to advance implementation of a more aggressive, active signal priority for the Finch West Finch West Light Rail Transit and the Eglinton Crosstown Finch West Light Rail Transit at intersections, so they can travel more quickly and get people moving faster. It also asks staff to expedite work in the other areas of the city that need it, including across our streetcar network.

Lovely thanks for this. An ambitious yet needed plan!

 

[APTA-2048]

I took the 506 today and had an excellent operator. Sometimes you get the odd operator who is maybe senior enough and who hasn’t bought into the TTC operations BS and who also hasn’t been driven out of out of streetcar altogether.

We made great time from University Avenue to when I got off at Allan Gardens. Even having to make two turns along the way. The operator was assertive at making the turns too, not letting cars cut them off. We kept up with or passed cars along Bay St and Carlton St.

This is how I remember how things used to be. And I would give the absolute most glowing commendation to this operator. Of course I won’t, because I have a feeling they would be reprimanded by their superiors for doing all the things that made the trip faster.

 

[nfitz]

This is how I remember how things used to be. And I would give the absolute most glowing commendation to this operator. Of course I won’t, because I have a feeling they would be reprimanded by their superiors for doing all the things that made the trip faster.

One could phrase it in such a way not to trigger an issue - "excellent operation while attentive to traffic situations and turning vehicles".

I find the majority of 506 operators pretty decent to tell the truth. Especially when you look at where they are relative to schedule. There's no point in pushing it, when you are on, or ahead, of schedule, with good spacing.

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

Toronto had special Sunday-only streetcar and bus stops established to accommodate church-goers, but these were eliminated in 2015 as part of an effort to improve service efficiency and address fairness for non-Christian places of worship. Anybody miss them?

Toronto Railway Historical Association

On May 23, 1897, the first Sunday streetcars began running in Toronto. Many of the city's pious Christians were not happy with the change; police at this time often occupied themselves on the Sabbath...

www.facebook.com

 

[Monarch Butterfly]

In the 1980's, the streetcars ran on The Queensway's right-of-way at a good clip. This was before they "improved" and "upgraded" the track-work (insert laugh track here).

Note the speed limit signs of "60 km/h". Today the signs say "40 km/h", which none of the motorists today obey, EXCEPT the Flexity streetcar operators, which run below the posted speed limit.

 

[6ixGod]

The motion DSC posted a page back from the TTC Board meeting doesn't go to council, it was adopted and rests with the TTC now. But a "complimentary" motion below from the Mayor is on the agenda for council. With the fierce reaction from the public over the opening of Line 6 and fear the same will happen with Line 5, it does seem like there's momentum for politicians to finally support more meaningful measures.

Perhaps attention on the slow streetcars (video comparing T.O to Amsterdam, or the man who outruns streetcars) has struck a nerve and maybe Line 6's opening tipped the scale. Some people online who live in Ward 7 Humber River-Black Creek have received email responses from Councillor Perruzza saying he will support the motion. Here's hoping...

https://secure.toronto.ca/council/agenda-item.do?item=2025.MM35.15

Recommendations​

Mayor Olivia Chow, seconded by Councillor Jamaal Myers, recommends that:

1. City Council direct the City Manager, working with Metrolinx and the Chief Executive Officer, Toronto Transit Commission, to advance implementation of more aggressive, active transit signal priority at intersections along surface portions of the Line 5 Eglinton and Line 6 Finch West, subject to contractual and legal obligations, and to provide an update on progress in the first quarter of 2026.

2. City Council direct the City Manager, working with the Chief Executive Officer, Toronto Transit Commission, to report back in the first quarter of 2026 with a plan, including costs and staffing requirements, to implement further measures that improve streetcar network speed and reliability, including signal timing adjustments, a more aggressive transit signal priority policy, deploying traffic agents at key intersections to prevent blocked streetcars, and recommendations for removing on-street parking and restricting left turns during high-peak periods on key streetcar routes.

3. City Council direct the City Manager, working with the Chief Executive Officer, Toronto Transit Commission, to report back in the first quarter of 2026 with a plan, including costs and staffing requirements, to expedite transit signal priority activations at intersections on the surface transit network where the required technology is not currently installed.

Summary​

On December 7, on a cold morning before the sunrise, hundreds of eager transit aficionados and riders gathered to launch Line 6, the Finch West Light Rail Transit. Opening a new, long-awaited transit line is a big moment for our City. We must ensure the new Finch West Light Rail Transit lives up to the promise of getting our City moving.

The Finch West Finch West Light Rail Transit is projected to have 51,000 riders each day, and bring 230,000 people within walking distance of rapid transit. It will move generations of people across the northwest of our City, connecting them to jobs, education, family and friends with greater ease. It will help reduce congestion on our roads and help people choose transit over driving.

To succeed at the above, the Finch West Finch West Light Rail Transit has to work well. It must be fast and convenient to use. Now that the Toronto Transit Commission has full operational control of the line, the City can help play a role in speeding it up. Transit riders and experts have rightly pointed out that the Finch West Light Rail Transit does not have the active signal priority that’s critical to the successful operation of surface-level rapid transit. We can fix this.

We also need to be prepared for the opening of Line 5 Eglinton, early next year. Transit signal priority will be important to ensure that service meets the expectations of transit riders for whom Line 5 has been long awaited, and the City can start to get prepared now so that transit signal priority can be activated as quickly as possible.

The motions below direct staff to advance implementation of a more aggressive, active signal priority for the Finch West Finch West Light Rail Transit and the Eglinton Crosstown Finch West Light Rail Transit at intersections, so they can travel more quickly and get people moving faster. It also asks staff to expedite work in the other areas of the city that need it, including across our streetcar network.

I’ll be very interested to see which POS City Councillor opposes this. That person should be ridiculed and roasted TF out of 6ixBuzz…..a horrible punishment, but one that must be done.

 

[reaperexpress]

I took the 506 today and had an excellent operator. Sometimes you get the odd operator who is maybe senior enough and who hasn’t bought into the TTC operations BS and who also hasn’t been driven out of out of streetcar altogether.

We made great time from University Avenue to when I got off at Allan Gardens. Even having to make two turns along the way. The operator was assertive at making the turns too, not letting cars cut them off. We kept up with or passed cars along Bay St and Carlton St.

This is how I remember how things used to be. And I would give the absolute most glowing commendation to this operator. Of course I won’t, because I have a feeling they would be reprimanded by their superiors for doing all the things that made the trip faster.

Chances are that this was an experienced operator with enough seniority to not be too worried about discipline from supervisors.

There seems to be a huge discrepancy in speed from one operator to another - regardless of whether they're running early or late. Some operators drive the way you described here, regardless of schedule, and others (especially new hires who are still in their probation period) drive excruciatingly slowly even when they're running late. The trainers and supervisors are extremely fearful of any kind of speed, so they engrain that in new trainees. The consequence is that the experienced operators always get stuck behind the inexperienced operators eventually, leading to long gaps in service (in front of the inexperienced operator) with a conga line of experienced operators behind them. This is one of the many factors leading to the horrendous service regularity on TTC surface routes (including the Finch LRT)

 

[Northern Light]

I took the 506 today and had an excellent operator. Sometimes you get the odd operator who is maybe senior enough and who hasn’t bought into the TTC operations BS and who also hasn’t been driven out of out of streetcar altogether.

We made great time from University Avenue to when I got off at Allan Gardens. Even having to make two turns along the way. The operator was assertive at making the turns too, not letting cars cut them off. We kept up with or passed cars along Bay St and Carlton St.

This is how I remember how things used to be. And I would give the absolute most glowing commendation to this operator. Of course I won’t, because I have a feeling they would be reprimanded by their superiors for doing all the things that made the trip faster.

May I suggest you submit your glowing recommendation without the operator's name, number, run number, or time of your run.

I realize the compliment won't then make it back to the operator in question, nor will any reprimand; but you will successfully convey to management that you appreciate assertive, confident and timely service.

Check your messages for my suggested contact.