[drum118]

So in guess the ION extension to Cambridge would be the only tender for more flexity's.
Unless the TTC decides it needs more streetcars

ION will get the same car for the extension that they have today.

TTC doesn't need extra cars until the Eglinton East Line gets built when every that maybe. Since the line will not connect to any TTC lines, they will most likely be standard gauge that may connect to Metrolinx lines.

TTC has enough LRVs for the QQE line when every it gets built. They will still have enough LRVs when every the Broadview extension happen as well connect to the new Commissioner extension between 2040-50, but most likely be the new replacement vehicles for the current fleet.. It would be in TTC best interest to look at duel end vehicles with crossovers every X distances as well stub tracks to replace loops.

 

[T3G]

t would be in TTC best interest to look at duel end vehicles with crossovers every X distances as well stub tracks to replace loops.

What is the benefit, from the TTC's perspective, of having dual ended vehicles, when a) they already own the properties on which their loops sit, and b) the absolute vast majority of their infrastructure is street running, and having to do reverse movements would still mean they would have to tangle with conflicting traffic getting in the way?

Dual ended cars are ideal for new systems which are not beholden to legacy infrastructure, and which are in their own right of way, that can execute reverse movements without traffic. I fail to see what possible benefit the TTC could get from this when so much of their operations are based on more than 100 years of loop-based operations.

I think that, considering the TTC's long term handicapping of streetcar operations, and how many Torontonians, including, sadly, lots of people on this forum, view streetcars as the physical embodiment of all evil, we will be lucky if we don't get another Ford type jackass advocating to dismantle the streetcar network again when the current Flexity cars come up for replacement.

 

[DSCToronto]

ION will get the same car for the extension that they have today.

TTC doesn't need extra cars until the Eglinton East Line gets built when every that maybe. Since the line will not connect to any TTC lines, they will most likely be standard gauge that may connect to Metrolinx lines.

TTC has enough LRVs for the QQE line when every it gets built. They will still have enough LRVs when every the Broadview extension happen as well connect to the new Commissioner extension between 2040-50, but most likely be the new replacement vehicles for the current fleet.. It would be in TTC best interest to look at duel end vehicles with crossovers every X distances as well stub tracks to replace loops.

If one were building a totally new streetcar network I assume one would use dual-end cars and thus avoid loops but that's NOT what we have here. Steve Munro has useful chart of streetcar needs based on greater frequency and lines expanding/opening. SEE: https://stevemunro.ca/2025/12/23/a-surfeit-of-streetcars/

 

[RapidTransit]

ION will get the same car for the extension that they have today.

TTC doesn't need extra cars until the Eglinton East Line gets built when every that maybe. Since the line will not connect to any TTC lines, they will most likely be standard gauge that may connect to Metrolinx lines.

TTC has enough LRVs for the QQE line when every it gets built. They will still have enough LRVs when every the Broadview extension happen as well connect to the new Commissioner extension between 2040-50, but most likely be the new replacement vehicles for the current fleet.. It would be in TTC best interest to look at duel end vehicles with crossovers every X distances as well stub tracks to replace loops.

You sure ION will get the same cars as they have now. They don't make them anymore. Unless Alstom reactivates production for such a small order. Would it be worth it?

Has ION sent out a RFP or some document stating this?

 

[RapidTransit]

What is the benefit, from the TTC's perspective, of having dual ended vehicles, when a) they already own the properties on which their loops sit, and b) the absolute vast majority of their infrastructure is street running, and having to do reverse movements would still mean they would have to tangle with conflicting traffic getting in the way?

Dual ended cars are ideal for new systems which are not beholden to legacy infrastructure, and which are in their own right of way, that can execute reverse movements without traffic. I fail to see what possible benefit the TTC could get from this when so much of their operations are based on more than 100 years of loop-based operations.

I think that, considering the TTC's long term handicapping of streetcar operations, and how many Torontonians, including, sadly, lots of people on this forum, view streetcars as the physical embodiment of all evil, we will be lucky if we don't get another Ford type jackass advocating to dismantle the streetcar network again when the current Flexity cars come up for replacement.

I think the benefits to having double end cars is a worthwhile investment. You save on not having loops. And everything doesn't have to happen at once. Double end cars, and as time goes on make the adjustments at the end of the line to accommodating them. By the time 30 years come around there would have been significant worthwhile investments.

Rob Ford was the most radical mayor we've had in being anti streetcar. And despite that, the streetcar order went through. I think while he was mayor. He certainly didn't cancel it. I might be naive , but I highly doubt a future mayor or councilor will be successful in getting rid of Streetcars. If Rob Ford couldn't do it, and now Doug Ford as premier with all the powers he has, he could easily get rid of them today.
Doug got rid of speed cameras over streetcars. And I'm sure speed cameras are way more sensitive than streetcars.
At least with streetcars, developers would rather keep them and have them as a selling point and value. And we all know how tight Doug Ford is with developers.

Again I might be naive , but Streetcars aren't going anywhere. Sure there will always be some emotional out cry, but that's with anything in the city.