WillTo
Senior Member
Does it count as transit priority if my left turning bus passes the LRT?
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hw621
Senior Member
So what is stopping the line from opening now?! ,Any insider info?
Bordercollie
Senior Member
Probably want to implement transit priority and test it before it opens. I would say June 30th at the earliest.
They have to re-time all the signals, test it and then do a 30 day burn in without any issues, and the clock goes to 0 when there is.
Not to mention all the time they need to tweak it and adjust timing.
hw621
Senior Member
I won't hold my breath.
toronto647
Active Member
They are going to open in February as planned, transit priority if it comes will come at a later time. Remember EG LRT is grade separated from Mount Dennis till pretty much Aga Khan Station (except for the 1 light at Leaside) so even if transit priority were to be implemented, it would only impact the the very east end of the line from Wynford Station to Kennedy.
6ixGod
Active Member
Hahahaha the arrogance of Miller is astounding….for all the huffing and puffing he did about Transit City, I would expect him to be at the ribbon cutting ceremony and then ride the LRTs so people could give him a dose of reality.
I’m just glad Toronto saved itself by not diving 100% into this “TrAnSiT cITy” nonsense…..I always found the project timid, underwhelming and completely inappropriate for a city this size and stature. The frustrating part is that Toronto wasn’t always timid…..Post War Toronto up until the 80s, Toronto thought bold and big: the Yonge subway, Metro Toronto consolidation, the CN Tower, SkyDome, Pearson expansion, and the PATH system. These were built at a scale that matched the city’s growth. But starting in the late 70s and 80s, economic shocks, neighbourhood activism, and high-profile cancellations like the Spadina Expressway made ambitious projects politically risky. (For the record, I don’t oppose neighbourhood activism and am glad they got all the expressways cancelled, but the reaction by City Hall was way over the top). Restraint became a civic virtue, and caution hardened into ideology by the 1990s and early 2000s…..right by the time Miller became mayor.
Toronto was already a massive, diverse, international metropolis, but City Hall still operated with “Toronto the Good” instincts: risk-averse, obsessed with appearances, and cautious about anything that might upset the status quo. Transit City was the logical endpoint of that mindset: surface LRTs constrained by signals and intersections, sold as “pragmatic” and safe, but fundamentally mismatched to Toronto’s real needs. Miller may have believed in them…..or at least believed that appearing cautious was the right way to govern a city still psychologically uncomfortable with its own size.
The contrast with younger generations is stark. Late Gen X, Millennials, Gen Z, have only ever known Toronto as big, busy, and international. They don’t compare it to anywhere else; they just expect it to work….I was so happy when I heard people clowning Line 6….calling it a streetcar (because that’s exactly what it is) and how underwhelming it is…..I heard these conversations all on opening weekend:
- this should have been a subway
- how much did they spend on this?
- why are we stopping at signal lights?
And yet there are people on this forum who will go to the grave defending this ELL ARE TEE nonsense…..I guess some of you are from Millers generation as well….too timid and small minded…..unable to comprehend what Toronto has become. With Miller’s type of mentality, Line 1 would have never gone north of Eglinton and Line 2 would have ended at Woodbine and Keele.
With all due respect, the sooner this lot die off the better (not literally, but influentially). Hopefully this new generation of Torontonians who are unapologetically bold will force big city problems being addressed with big city solutions.
Undead
Senior Member
^Respectfully, lose the ageism.
TOtramz
Active Member
How would that even fit within the mandatory 90 day opening window after substantial completion was declared?
crs1026
Superstar
And the cheap misstatement of many other things and gratuitous inclusion of every agenda and kicking-post that the poster appears to hold dear.
The poster seems to have a pretty poor grasp on actual events and civic history from 1995 to 2007, or about any debates or serious proposals that were put forward in that timeframe.
It's Christmas Day, and I'm not going to ruin my chill by delving into all this. Maybe after Boxing Day.
But I will point out that Transit City was announced on 16 March 2007, after a decade of non-action by previous mayors including Mel Lastman, who did nothing about transit beyond North York. And a Premier named Mike Harris who was clearly anti-subway.
The point is not that Transit City was good or bad (I'm not really a fan).... but it was a serious proposal to do *something* at a time when little else was being proposed. And it was very conscious of a political mood that was still opposed to major spend on transit. It actually helped shift public opinion on that view, and triggered counter proposals that had higher pricetags that the public took seriously. And it had a serious body of study behind it.
Oh, and the TTC chair who co-announced Transit City wasn't even a Boomer.
On that note, a happy and mellow holiday greeting to all
- Paul
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T3G
Senior Member
If your arguments were worth half a damn, you wouldn't have to insult and belittle anyone who disagrees with you. If you can't post civilly, then do us a favour and stop posting until you learn to be civil about the fact that other people have differing view points from you.
micheal_can
Senior Member
After then 1990s cuts and the burring in of the Eglinton subway, transit city was the city trying to do something that might be possible within the funding available. Just like Smartrack and other Toronto transit initiatives, they are a sign of those times. I could make a list of about 8 different subways/subway extensions that should be open today that are not.
The challenge of Eglinton is what happens when they are running as many trains as they can and it is still not enough. That is where most of those 8 extensions come into play.
So, here are those extensions that should be open today.
Under construction:
Line 2 east extension
Ontario Line east.
Yonge North extension
Not under construction
Ontario Line west
Line 4 west
Line 4 east to YYZ
Eglinton West
Line 2 west
We lost at least a decade or more as some of these have been on the books for decades.
My hope is that when Line 5 opens it is a resounding success. That it is so heavily used that the city and province learns that LRTs are not enough for Toronto proper.
The challenge of Eglinton is what happens when they are running as many trains as they can and it is still not enough. That is where most of those 8 extensions come into play.
So, here are those extensions that should be open today.
Under construction:
Line 2 east extension
Ontario Line east.
Yonge North extension
Not under construction
Ontario Line west
Line 4 west
Line 4 east to YYZ
Eglinton West
Line 2 west
We lost at least a decade or more as some of these have been on the books for decades.
My hope is that when Line 5 opens it is a resounding success. That it is so heavily used that the city and province learns that LRTs are not enough for Toronto proper.
JSF-1
Active Member
When you say Eglinton West do you mean the Crosstown West of the Eglinton West Subway? In the latter case there is a reason it was at the bottom of the priority list when it was proposed as part of Network 2011. It was to be the last project built as part of Network 2011 only when ridership/projections showed a need for the line, in the meantime bus lanes were supposed to be installed on Eglinton to help build ridership over the next 20-30 years. Our attempt to build the line in 90's was hugely misguided and is directly responsible for the Sheppard Line being truncated instead of built out to STC. Had we stuck to Network 2011 with the most ideal conditions then construction of the Eglington West Subway would have begun 2011 (which was what was projected in Network 2011). Given it takes us like 10 years to build anykind of underground line it would have opened by now.. HOWEVER it would only be the original line between Eglinton West and Pearson. There still wouldn't be a connection to Yonge Street or Kennedy since that wasn't part of the original plan and would probably still be like 20-30 years away from being built in this timeline. So we would have a subway on Eglinton, it would just be completely useless to the entire half of the city east of Allen Road and would remain that way until the 2040's at the earliest.
micheal_can
Senior Member
Eglinton west, as in either the old subway or the entire LRT to the airport.
And when it comes to what I listed, many of them would have already been built. For instance, the DRL has been suggested since the 80s. So, it could have been opened by the turn of the century.
duty free
Active Member
The DRL has been suggested since the 1880's.
micheal_can
Senior Member
So,it could have been around as long as the existing subway.
The problem isn't a lack of ideas, it is a lack of construction.