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honestly why wont they take the opportunity to upgrade greenwood? they now have to design a frankenstein train that loses passenger space due to occasionally used controls. not to mention the additional time it takes to decouple and shuffle around sets for maintenance.
lose lose id say on the unwillingness to invest on fundamental shop upgrades.

If I recall the original plan was to building Obico Yard in the west end but that got shelved.

Here's the thing. If you upgrade Greenwood Yard it will take a while. Where are you going to put all those trains when the yard is out of service for modernization?
 
honestly why wont they take the opportunity to upgrade greenwood? they now have to design a frankenstein train that loses passenger space due to occasionally used controls. not to mention the additional time it takes to decouple and shuffle around sets for maintenance.
lose lose id say on the unwillingness to invest on fundamental shop upgrades.
The joint design proposed by Hübner doesn’t appear to eat much into passenger space, as best as I can see from the model.
 
honestly why wont they take the opportunity to upgrade greenwood? they now have to design a frankenstein train that loses passenger space due to occasionally used controls. not to mention the additional time it takes to decouple and shuffle around sets for maintenance.
lose lose id say on the unwillingness to invest on fundamental shop upgrades.
If I recall the original plan was to building Obico Yard in the west end but that got shelved.

Here's the thing. If you upgrade Greenwood Yard it will take a while. Where are you going to put all those trains when the yard is out of service for modernization?
Aside from the fact that any rebuilding of GW would pose the same complications for storage of the existing fleet (and thus shouldn't affect delivery of the new fleet, because it would be stored wherever the existing fleet is, displacing the existing fleet), I'd rather the cars get here ASAP even if it means having a half-assed configuration. Hell, I'd rather they delay the openings of the SSE & YNSE by a few years (assuming they're somehow miraculously built before all 70–80 new trains are here anyway) than have to reallocate any of the 55 replacement trains towards service expansion, thus delaying the T1 replacement even more than it already is (thanks a lot rick leary).
it's fascinating to see where your priorities lie.
 
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Ok.....slightly divergent anecdotal tangent......that arguably fits in this thread, because it took place on TTC. LOL

So, I'm on the subway today..........I'll leave the time/place details out so as not incriminate the criminals, LOL

I enter the train, and glance for seats and see a 2-seat bench open and go place myself there.

Behind me, two young women, probably late teens, are chatting.......quite vocally.

I did not participate in anyway, I just couldn't help but overhear the whole thing.....and found it......ummm, amusing.

So woman number 1 is going on to woman number 2, about how she's only been the subject of criminal charges three times.

The middle one didn't really count.....

But there was the time she was charged with 'Grand Theft Auto'.... 🤣 i think @lenaitch would really appreciate that. (for the rest of you, there is no such charge in Canada, yes stealing a car is illegal, but the charge is more banal sounding.....'Theft of a Motor Vehicle'....

At any rate, she goes on to relate to her companion that she drove so and so (another woman) from wherever to the opposite end of the GTA, then back again, and wasn't she a swell friend......but apparently she drove this person to the point of running out of gas.

The person who she did this favour for didn't seem to care and went into her home and then refused to answer the door, leaving this poor woman stranded.

Apparently she persisted long enough in knocking (or something else) that the neighbours phoned the police. The police responded, the young woman relayed her story, and the police ran her plate, and it came up stolen and she was arrested.
*@#$ what a terrible such and such the so and so who wouldn't answer the door was.....look at what she caused.

Ummm

Ummmm

LOL

The things you hear while riding the subway.

I just felt the need to share.

Oh, and polite reminder.....when talking on the subway......you never know who is listening, and has really good recall....... LOL
 
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The things you hear while riding the subway.

I just felt the need to share.

Oh, and polite reminder.....when talking on the subway......you never know who is listening, and has really good recall....... LOL
I don't have reason to use the subway much these days, but on a recent streetcar trip through the financial district I did overhear a well-dressed but quite young-looking man talking on the phone about what a POS one of his wealth management clients was, and it was not a very common name. I was able to look up the name on LinkedIn and find a match in Toronto that was almost certainly the person being discussed, and I wondered what he would think if I told him what I was hearing from the guy he probably pays a lot of fees to for his services. Also, I wonder what his firm's compliance department would say if I heard details about one of their client accounts.

Though nothing will top the time I was on a GO Train and a woman had a loud conversation on the phone with someone about the details of her recent abortion.
 
I was on an eastbound train this morning, we just passed St. George and there was a garbled unintelligble announcement. Then a guy comes on the train phone and says that due to an injury at track level, there's no service from Bloor/Yonge to Union. So now obviously everybody is thinking they'll have to get off at Yonge and go back to St. George to get downtown. Then just as we pass Bay, the same guy announces that there's actually service from Bloor to King. So everybody sighs in relief and gets off at Yonge to go south. Then as soon as we start going again, he announces that there's actually no service south of College. So everybody who got on a southbound train was probably stranded.

My wife was stranded too. She was trying to go south on the university side, which closed south of Osgoode.

I was fine, I took the streetcar to Dundas Stn and walked downtown from there through the Eaton Centre. It was pretty packed considering it was before 9 and closed. Guess it was everybody who got stranded north of College...

I heard later that there was a fatality on the tracks at Union. We need platform doors ASAP.
 
I was on an eastbound train this morning, we just passed St. George and there was a garbled unintelligble announcement. Then a guy comes on the train phone and says that due to an injury at track level, there's no service from Bloor/Yonge to Union. So now obviously everybody is thinking they'll have to get off at Yonge and go back to St. George to get downtown. Then just as we pass Bay, the same guy announces that there's actually service from Bloor to King. So everybody sighs in relief and gets off at Yonge to go south. Then as soon as we start going again, he announces that there's actually no service south of College. So everybody who got on a southbound train was probably stranded.

My wife was stranded too. She was trying to go south on the university side, which closed south of Osgoode.

I was fine, I took the streetcar to Dundas Stn and walked downtown from there through the Eaton Centre. It was pretty packed considering it was before 9 and closed. Guess it was everybody who got stranded north of College...

I heard later that there was a fatality on the tracks at Union. We need platform doors ASAP.

The 'incident' occurred at Union.

The Osgoode turnback point makes sense on that side.

But on the Yonge side, there's a crossover between King and Queen, so why were they turning trains at College?

Hmmm
 
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The 'incident' occurred at Union.

The Osgoode turnback point makes sense on that side.

But on the Yonge side, there's a crossover between King and Queen, so why were they turning trains at College?

Hmmm
I would guess the TTC can't turn the power off at Union without turning it off at King.

I know when Andy Byford was in charge they modified the power distribution system so power could be turned off on the bridge without turning off the power at Broadview. I'm not sure if they did any other stations.
 
I would guess the TTC can't turn the power off at Union without turning it off at King.

I know when Andy Byford was in charge they modified the power distribution system so power could be turned off on the bridge without turning off the power at Broadview. I'm not sure if they did any other stations.
This must be why. Last time there was a power off at Union, we had to get off at College too.
 
The 509 and 510 closed into Union as well.

Edit to add: LOL. I went to their twitter feed to make sure I was right about this, and both of those lines are closed right now due to "weather conditions".
 
Perhaps next time they rebuild the power, they could add some spots further south ... similar how they re-added the crossovers.
This must be why. Last time there was a power off at Union, we had to get off at College too.
In spite of various arguments against having crossovers on both sides of every single station, this is definitely an argument in favor of same.
 
I've lived in Toronto my entire life. Not ONCE have a seen the HOV lane on Dundas in Toronto or Mississauga enforced!
Agree and add Bay Street, as well King Street.
 

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