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Alan Fryer

@alanfryermedia
Carney can't be blamed for the fact we're dealing with an erratic, irrational and vindictive US President. But we knew who Trump was and in the election Carney convinced enough Canadians that his resume and temperament made him the best choice to deal with Trump and fix our trading relationship with America. Instead, he seems to be making things worse.
 
Whattagame said:
"...fix our trading relationship with America." Yeah. That's what he was elected to do. :rolleyes:

If only we had Pierre to lick US boots only to have them screw us anyway.
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If Canada doesn't fix its trade issues with the USA it will cease to exist. GDP per capita and economic prosperity will crater and could lead to serious fractures in this less than united Federation. Trump is a loudmouth irritating president, but Carney needs to work with him to get a trade deal done. Making the USA into the enemy might help Carney get some emotional based support from upset voters, but it is not pragmatic or prudent. The USA - Canada economies are probably linked more closely than any other countries and the USA is worth 75% of our trade - and unfortunately we need them much more than they need us. Canada can't simply find other trade partners. Carney is playing a dangerous game and the Liberals will benefit with mostly older voters - but the country will suffer.
 
Whatup said:
If Canada doesn't fix its trade issues with the USA it will cease to exist. GDP per capita and economic prosperity will crater and could lead to serious fractures in this less than united Federation. Trump is a loudmouth irritating president, but Carney needs to work with him to get a trade deal done. Making the USA into the enemy might help Carney get some emotional based support from upset voters, but it is not pragmatic or prudent. The USA - Canada economies are probably linked more closely than any other countries and the USA is worth 75% of our trade - and unfortunately we need them much more than they need us. Canada can't simply find other trade partners. Carney is playing a dangerous game and the Liberals will benefit with mostly older voters - but the country will suffer.
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Carney didn't make the USA anything. All of the aggressive actions by the US against Canada and NATO have made them, at best, an unreliable trading partner. There is no "deal" to be had. And despite this, the US can't push much further without cratering their own economy (more than they already have). The current admin is sweating over their economic performance heading into the mid-terms.

So, cross-border commerce is still and will continue to occur. In the meantime, Canada is taking pragmatic action to shore up other relationships and improve domestic sustainability.

You forget that we already have a deal that the US is currently honouring or ignoring at their whim. Deals don't matter. Maybe let's not act like an abused spouse that can't/won't leave "because he swears it'll be different this time."
 
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Whattagame said:
Carney didn't make the USA anything. All of the aggressive actions by the US against Canada and NATO have made them, at best, an unreliable trading partner. There is no "deal" to be had. And despite this, the US can't push much further without cratering their own economy (more than they already have). The current admin is sweating over their economic performance heading into the mid-terms.

So, cross-border commerce is still and will continue to occur. In the meantime, Canada is taking pragmatic action to shore up other relationships and improve domestic sustainability.

You forget that we already have a deal that the US is currently honouring or ignoring at their whim. Deals don't matter. Maybe let's not act like an abused spouse that can't/won't leave "because he swears it'll be different this time."
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"Cratering their own economy" - are you serious? The USA is an innovation and AI economic juggernaut. At current rates Canada's GDP per capta will be half of the USA's in 10-15 years. Canada's best industry (O&G) is being regulated and diminished by the Liberals while they pander to money losing industries in voter rich areas. Canada, as resource rich country next to the largest economy in the world should be the richest per capita nation on earth - but it is at par with small countries like the Netherlands - South Korea, a mountainous country with very limited natural resources and arable land, and destroyed from a awful civil war only 70 years ago, and being sandwiched between two more powerful and at time aggressive countries who have colonized Korea several times - this little country of 60 million people is a innovation, manufacturing and soft power economic success. South Korea will pass Canada in GDP per capita within 5 years most likely. Canada's government had many chances to diversify its economy and not rely on USA so much but ridiculous "climate change" and Quebec issues etc etc result in this country being unable to build any big money making national infrastucture - the world is very competitive and most Canadians are very naive and unworldly. Even Malaysia where I live builds new infrastructure all the time and its not paralyzed by sef-flagulating virtue sigalling nonsense that prevents it from even building one freaking pipeline. Canada is very fortunate to be next to the most benign superpower in the world - think of the problems countries next to Russia and China, and even the UK have endured. Central Canada was complacent and thought its branch plant economy and selling electricity to New York was the road to eternal success. Unlike South Korea, it lacked competitiveness and innovation that is born from adversity, hard work, being pragmatic and being truly proud of its culture. This is why little South Korea has found success - long term value added success and whining Canada - a country that unlike South Korea has had almost zero adversity in its history, let's one boorish USA president completely mind screw them. Its pathetic. Proud innovative nations with strong identities like Japan, China, South Korea etc would never let their streets become taken over by drug addled crazy people. Trump is trying to fix this in the USA and he eventually will. Canada needs to stop whining and start doing - however I have my doubts it ever will. South Korea and Japan don't have a Quebec they need to pay off - and they have strong cultures - Canada's identity is based on being good at hockey, having a "free" health care thats supposedly better the the USA, and being "nice" - plus Tim Horton's.
 
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Whatup said:
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"Cratering their own economy" - are you serious? The USA is an innovation and AI economic juggernaut. At current rates Canada's GDP per capta will be half of the USA's in 10-15 years. Canada's best industry (O&G) is being regulated and diminished by the Liberals while they pander to money losing industries in voter rich areas. Canada, as resource rich country next to the largest economy in the world should be the richest per capita nation on earth - but it is at par with small countries like the Netherlands - South Korea, a mountainous country with very limited natural resources and arable land, and destroyed from a awful civil war only 70 years ago, and being sandwiched between two more powerful and at time aggressive countries who have colonized Korea several times - this little country of 60 million people is a innovation, manufacturing and soft power economic success. South Korea will pass Canada in GDP per capita within 5 years most likely. Canada's government had many chances to diversify its economy and not rely on USA so much but ridiculous "climate change" and Quebec issues etc etc result in this country being unable to build any big money making national infrastucture - the world is very competitive and most Canadians are very naive and unworldly. Even Malaysia where I live builds new infrastructure all the time and its not paralyzed by sef-flagulating virtue sigalling nonsense that prevents it from even building one freaking pipeline. Canada needs to grow up - fast.
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Weird. This post from over a year ago just showed up on the site.
 
Whattagame said:
Weird. This post from over a year ago just showed up on the site.
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So "Whattagame" thinks the USA's economy is going to "crater" if they don't start treating Carney and his Boomer TDS supporters with more respect.
 
Whatup said:
If Canada doesn't fix its trade issues with the USA it will cease to exist. GDP per capita and economic prosperity will crater and could lead to serious fractures in this less than united Federation. Trump is a loudmouth irritating president, but Carney needs to work with him to get a trade deal done. Making the USA into the enemy might help Carney get some emotional based support from upset voters, but it is not pragmatic or prudent. The USA - Canada economies are probably linked more closely than any other countries and the USA is worth 75% of our trade - and unfortunately we need them much more than they need us. Canada can't simply find other trade partners. Carney is playing a dangerous game and the Liberals will benefit with mostly older voters - but the country will suffer.
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cease to exist? give it rest and turn it down a bit buddy.
 
This poor thing thinks macroeconomic trends (and ones that report prior to significant macroeconomic events) are relevant to a discussion on the economy as it pertains to mid-term voting tendencies. It's adorable.
 
Whatup said:
Alan Fryer
@alanfryermedia
Carney can't be blamed for the fact we're dealing with an erratic, irrational and vindictive US President. But we knew who Trump was and in the election Carney convinced enough Canadians that his resume and temperament made him the best choice to deal with Trump and fix our trading relationship with America. Instead, he seems to be making things worse.
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He isn't making it worse, Trump is making it worse. Would Poillivere make it any better? Trump is going throw hissy fits on a daily or weekly basis. It doesn't take sticks and stones to break Trump's bones, only names apparently.
 
Whatup said:
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So "Whattagame" thinks the USA's economy is going to "crater" if they don't start treating Carney and his Boomer TDS supporters with more respect.
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That graph's from Q3 of 2024, when Biden was still in power. Trump came into power after that time, and that's when the shit show started. I can't wait to see this same graph in Q3 2026.
 
AntonK said:
That graph's from Q3 of 2024, when Biden was still in power. Trump came into power after that time, and that's when the shit show started. I can't wait to see this same graph in Q3 2026.
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The thing is, the graph will not reflective of the impact of policy on the vast majority of citizens. There is an immense wealth transfer underway, and you can't capture that on a GDP graph.
 
A very interesting dissertation by multi-billionaire Warren Buffet. I am connecting with his company BNSF Rail on a project that I have proposed for California. He is moving his investments to Canada
 
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