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thettctransitfanatic said:
This was already planned and it's the same situation as Line 6
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Planned and told straight down the barrel of a news camera at a news conference are different things. Has been anything but common knowledge.

Strikes me as working to build a narrative to temper expectations since despite only being the operator, TTC knows they'll receive blame for everything because the public doesn't know and frankly doesn't care.
 
Steve X said:
At this point, I would like to see Ford would extend his power over reach and revoke traffic management over rapid transit corridors to get TSP running. At the same time, he'll have to mandate TTC to meet certain operating speed criteria or revoke TTC's operating rights as blench of contract to provide acceptable services.
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Doug would never implement TSP.
 
urbanclient said:
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@WearyInspection5396 seems to be a real operator based on post history. So ready the pitchforks?

From: https://www.reddit.com/r/TTC/comments/1qnvz67/comment/o1wya00/
https://www.reddit.com/r/TTC/comments/1piclqd/comment/nt8pt84/
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Everyone has been saying that Metrolinx/Mosaic has a part of the blame in the slow speeds of Line 6.

Now we can see that this stupidity is the sole fault of the TTC. I wonder how Mosaic and Metrolinx were able to operate Line 6 at its designed speed and advertised travel times without implementing any "signal priority."
 
We have a new "rapid" transit line.
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Appearance will be a "soft" opening on February 8th.
 
yurt2022 said:
Everyone has been saying that Metrolinx/Mosaic has a part of the blame in the slow speeds of Line 6.

Now we can see that this stupidity is the sole fault of the TTC. I wonder how Mosaic and Metrolinx were able to operate Line 6 at its designed speed without implementing any TSP.
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I'll pre-empt someone defending the TTC, by adding, the snow removal issue is very likely, and poor reliability of the vehicles and trackside infrastructure are certainly Mosaic's fault (documented on Line 6), and by that logic, Crosslinx's fault for Eglinton as well. Not TTC. Since Metrolinx oversees these two consortiums to some degree, it would also be Metrolinx's fault for being a bad supervisor right now.

That or the contracts were so lopsided that Metrolinx is entirely powerless. Terminating a contract for non-performance is predicated on performance terms actually being written.
 
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TTC management needs to be purged.

Chow and the board haven't been questioning staff that blatantly lie and consistently present a defeatist attitude to commissioners during board meetings either. This is on them for not having a handle on their divisions.

I.e Josh Colle (Chief Strategy Officer at the TTC) stating that the 25 KM/H speed restriction at intersections/stations was implemented by Metrolinx. This is a bald faced lie. A rule like this would only originate in the bowels of TTC management, and this rule was not followed when Mosaic/Metrolinx were testing the line.

Also Derek Toigo saying "its not that easy" to remove the overcautious speed restrictions on Line 6.

I remember when TTC wanted to implement driving performance measurement technology with VISION on their busses that would penalize drivers for "speeding," brushing up against curbs, turning, smooth breaking, etc. The Union fought hard against that.

If it wasn't for them we'd probably have ridiculously slow driving busses for "safety" today as well.
 
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yurt2022 said:
TTC management needs to be purged.

Chow and the board haven't been questioning staff that blatantly lie and consistently present a defeatist attitude to commissioners during board meetings either. This is on them for not having a handle on their divisions.

I remember when TTC wanted to implement driving performance technology with VISION on their busses that would penalize drivers for "speeding," brushing up against curbs, turning, smooth breaking, etc. The Union fought hard against that.

If it wasn't for them we'd probably have ridiculously slow driving busses for "safety" today as well.
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The TTC already got a new CEO - Mandeep Lali - not that long ago and he so far has been a huge improvement over his predecessor. Then again, Rick Leary's tenure was probably the worst in the history of the TTC.
 
TwoWheelPoli said:
The TTC already got a new CEO - Mandeep Lali - not that long ago and he so far has been a huge improvement over his predecessor. Then again, Rick Leary's tenure was probably the worst in the history of the TTC.
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The CEO isn't the problem and doesn't hold the true strings over operating standards. I've added some staff in my comment that are partly responsible.
 
Back to news, sorta/kinda. Mandeep Lali fudging on the February 8th start date following a Board of Trade talk, as seen here in The Star:

www.thestar.com

Eglinton Crosstown LRT to open Feb. 8? Not so fast, says TTC CEO

Mandeep Lali, CEO of the TTC, spoke Tuesday at a Toronto Region Board of Trade meeting.
www.thestar.com www.thestar.com

From the above:

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yurt2022 said:
TTC management needs to be purged.
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This statement isn't wrong.

Its important to say there are some good people in both middle and upper management; but there are no small number of problematic actors whose departure cannot come soon enough.

Matters are not helped by the culture that Leary inculcated , one of put your head down, shut up, and do as your told, which is not one conducive to "Let me fix this:"


yurt2022 said:
Chow and the board haven't been questioning staff that blatantly lie and consistently present a defeatist attitude to commissioners during board meetings either. This is on them for not having a handle on their divisions.
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Councillor Saxe has been pretty good on this file. The TTC chair, Mr.Myers has not. The civilian board members also leave something to be desired.

yurt2022 said:
I.e Josh Colle (Chief Strategy Officer at the TTC) stating that the 25 KM/H speed restriction at intersections/stations was implemented by Metrolinx. This is a bald faced lie. A rule like this would only originate in the bowels of TTC management, and this rule was not followed when Mosaic/Metrolinx were testing the line.
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Well, I agree w/what your saying, but was it 'technically' a lie...... I'm not making excuses.... just saying....

yurt2022 said:
Also Derek Toigo saying "its not that easy" to remove the overcautious speed restrictions on Line 6.
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I'm not in the Derek Toigo fan club, but just for clarity for others, he's a direct City employee in the Transit Expansion Office, not with the TTC.
 
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yurt2022 said:
I.e Josh Colle (Chief Strategy Officer at the TTC) stating that the 25 KM/H speed restriction at intersections/stations was implemented by Metrolinx. This is a bald faced lie. A rule like this would only originate in the bowels of TTC management, and this rule was not followed when Mosaic/Metrolinx were testing the line.
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I have seen this narrative that has become accepted as fact that Mosaic or Crosslinx /Metrolinx ran the lines faster when they tested before handing it over to the TTC (not that I personally observed the speed difference).

The December 10th Board meeting revealed slower than originally contracted speeds for both lines that were apparent over a year prior.
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Myers: what were the reasons given?

TTC: because the original estimate for the run time for Line 5 and 6 was lower than what was actually possible to do

Myers: so where did the 36 minutes for Finch West number come from?

TTC: that was developed by Metrolinx in consultation with city and TTC... was part of the original contract

Myers: and when did it become apparent that that time frame was no longer possible?

TTC: became evident during discussions between TTC metrolinx and mosaic

Myers: what's the date approximately?

TTC: it would've been last year or possibly earlier.

Myers: was there ever a discussion about updating the public?

TTC: no
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So maybe the consortium/Metrolinx ran the lines faster, but certainly not as fast as the originally advertised speeds, even if faster than the TTC?
Northern Light said:
Well, I agree w/what your saying, but was it 'technically' a lie...... I'm not making excuses.... just saying....
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The TTC told Metrolinx to implement a 25kph speed limit, and Metrolinx technically/legally had the final say?
 
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