Full Metal Junkie
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Welcome to the forum, glad you finally decided to post after all these years.
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Chaplinurbex
New Member
Venturing? Dog I live above one of the stations.
EllaW
New Member
In the board meeting right now.
eglinton1661
Active Member
Commissioner Matlow: Today you've officially announced that February 8 is the opening date for the Eglinton LRT yet, work has been underway for a considerable period of time to organize the announcement event on Friday and then the opening date on February 8. And then recently, it was reported that you expressed reservations about whether or not it should open in February due to concerns it was reported about emergency brakes. Could you explain what? What helped you feel resolved that that issue had been addressed, and when will that information be shared with the public to reassure them that it was fully addressed and that there are no concerns about the emergency brakes moving forward?
Lali: So in terms of reservations, I've always said I would commit to an opening once we’re collectively happy as an organization, and myself, [to have] a safe and reliable railway. And I can say based upon the information that now has been gone through, and I must say it's gone through it has been gone through in minute detail, in respect to not just the TTC, not just CTS, not just Metrolinx, but now the system designers and architects, where we were all working it through. The final piece of that jigsaw when Alston came on board and went through the backup supplies, and played through all the questions we had in terms of instant A, B and C and classified that this happened because of… [cut off]
Matlow: It’s just that for a lot of people it seemed chaotic where the Premier and others, including myself, had said that we believe that February 8 is the opening, and then you announced that you weren't sure that it was going to be February. Do you not believe it would be helpful to the public to just provide the information that you received that reassured you that February actually is the right date to open?
Lali: Again, I suspect that that is providing technical information that, again, we don't have access… the designs would sit with Metrolinx in respect to release because they're the custodians of the system, and they own the intellectual property for that.
Secondly, this information, in terms of working it through with the designers, was literally up to about three days ago when we really started to get the insights from the designers. So if you're referring to my comment on Monday after the Board of Trade…
Matlow: yeah.
Lali: …I did not have that information at hand
Matlow: So you wouldn't be able to release the information that you reviewed that reassured you to the public, it would have to be Metrolinx?
Lali: It's their proprietary information, and it's between Metrolinx and Alstom.
Matlow: [exasperated sounds]
Lali: I don't make the rules commissioner.
Matlow: No, no, no I’m not suggesting…
Lali: As a lawyer, I'm sure you understand this better than many around this room.
Matlow: It just is jarring that you know when, when that kind of thing happens, that then it isn't just shared with the public exactly what's going on and why it's going on and what's being reassured. But I will pause on that line.
As far as the transit signal prioritization, Commissioner Saxe asked whether or not the Rapid Transit would go faster than the buses that it's meant to replace. When you said yes, it will. Is that equally the underground section along with the surface section, or will we see slower times on the surface section? In other words, what is the impact during this phased period on end to end speed and service?
Lali: so the runtime from end to end on LRT is around 55 to 59 minutes end to end. And on the busses from end to end it’s 105.
Matlow: What's the difference between the surface and the underground?
Lali: It's gonna be about 40% plus better.
[Unknown other TTC staff member]: Just for a stat on that. Just give a sense. So on surface, say, from Kennedy to Yonge Street, where a lot of that is above surface, your trip now will be 17 minutes faster. So instead of the 52 minutes that might’ve taken on the bus, it'll now take you 35 on light rail.
Lali: So in terms of reservations, I've always said I would commit to an opening once we’re collectively happy as an organization, and myself, [to have] a safe and reliable railway. And I can say based upon the information that now has been gone through, and I must say it's gone through it has been gone through in minute detail, in respect to not just the TTC, not just CTS, not just Metrolinx, but now the system designers and architects, where we were all working it through. The final piece of that jigsaw when Alston came on board and went through the backup supplies, and played through all the questions we had in terms of instant A, B and C and classified that this happened because of… [cut off]
Matlow: It’s just that for a lot of people it seemed chaotic where the Premier and others, including myself, had said that we believe that February 8 is the opening, and then you announced that you weren't sure that it was going to be February. Do you not believe it would be helpful to the public to just provide the information that you received that reassured you that February actually is the right date to open?
Lali: Again, I suspect that that is providing technical information that, again, we don't have access… the designs would sit with Metrolinx in respect to release because they're the custodians of the system, and they own the intellectual property for that.
Secondly, this information, in terms of working it through with the designers, was literally up to about three days ago when we really started to get the insights from the designers. So if you're referring to my comment on Monday after the Board of Trade…
Matlow: yeah.
Lali: …I did not have that information at hand
Matlow: So you wouldn't be able to release the information that you reviewed that reassured you to the public, it would have to be Metrolinx?
Lali: It's their proprietary information, and it's between Metrolinx and Alstom.
Matlow: [exasperated sounds]
Lali: I don't make the rules commissioner.
Matlow: No, no, no I’m not suggesting…
Lali: As a lawyer, I'm sure you understand this better than many around this room.
Matlow: It just is jarring that you know when, when that kind of thing happens, that then it isn't just shared with the public exactly what's going on and why it's going on and what's being reassured. But I will pause on that line.
As far as the transit signal prioritization, Commissioner Saxe asked whether or not the Rapid Transit would go faster than the buses that it's meant to replace. When you said yes, it will. Is that equally the underground section along with the surface section, or will we see slower times on the surface section? In other words, what is the impact during this phased period on end to end speed and service?
Lali: so the runtime from end to end on LRT is around 55 to 59 minutes end to end. And on the busses from end to end it’s 105.
Matlow: What's the difference between the surface and the underground?
Lali: It's gonna be about 40% plus better.
[Unknown other TTC staff member]: Just for a stat on that. Just give a sense. So on surface, say, from Kennedy to Yonge Street, where a lot of that is above surface, your trip now will be 17 minutes faster. So instead of the 52 minutes that might’ve taken on the bus, it'll now take you 35 on light rail.
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T3G
Senior Member
You forgot to mention loads of colourful yet unflattering descriptions of those who may have the arrogance to suggest that different modes of transport might be appropriate for different applications, such as boomers, unimaginative, Europhiles, foamers, Enemies of the Revolution/State, etc.
eglinton1661
Active Member
Vice Chair Mihevc: It'll be a full run of trains. Is that correct?
Lali: There'll be 24 trains, and we'll ramp up. It will ramp up later in the next year as well.
TTC staff: The service level six, which is from in the project agreement, was for 28 peak trains in the AM. As the CEO just mentioned, we're ramping up from 24 to 28 which means it's roughly a 15 second longer headway than planned at opening day. However, service level six is operating the full complement of trains, which was not what was expected to be needed on opening day. So we're confident that there's enough capacity to start, and then as the trains ramp up, it'll just be more [inaudible]
Mihevc: So from 24 to 28 at some later point at the appropriate time, correct?
TTC staff: correct.
Myers: Do you have a timeline as to when all the signage will be updated?
TTC staff: We're in the midst of replacing the 20,000 signs maps, basically across the system and network. So streetcars are done. Shelters are done. Line One is done. The station entry signs are done. And we have there were some remaining ones on line two. Line One was prioritized because of the connection points on line five, because it would actually be wayfinding help for those customers. And so in about 10 days time, we expect all 22,000 to have been updated across the system.
Lali: There'll be 24 trains, and we'll ramp up. It will ramp up later in the next year as well.
TTC staff: The service level six, which is from in the project agreement, was for 28 peak trains in the AM. As the CEO just mentioned, we're ramping up from 24 to 28 which means it's roughly a 15 second longer headway than planned at opening day. However, service level six is operating the full complement of trains, which was not what was expected to be needed on opening day. So we're confident that there's enough capacity to start, and then as the trains ramp up, it'll just be more [inaudible]
Mihevc: So from 24 to 28 at some later point at the appropriate time, correct?
TTC staff: correct.
Myers: Do you have a timeline as to when all the signage will be updated?
TTC staff: We're in the midst of replacing the 20,000 signs maps, basically across the system and network. So streetcars are done. Shelters are done. Line One is done. The station entry signs are done. And we have there were some remaining ones on line two. Line One was prioritized because of the connection points on line five, because it would actually be wayfinding help for those customers. And so in about 10 days time, we expect all 22,000 to have been updated across the system.
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doublemint
New Member
Lali seemingly just confirmed that TSP in May should have phase rotations. May have misheard.
81-717
Active Member
I have never rode line 6 even once lol
cplchanb
Senior Member
eglinton1661
Active Member
Bravo: What speed are trains currently operating at, and are we facing any equipment or maintenance challenges on the line that could be impacting sort of the speed and therefore serving people at lower speeds?
Lali: So equipment issues, nothing that really is impactful that that we have seen. So that's positive. In respect to the actual speed, as I said earlier, there is a slight restricted speed within the tunnel perspective, which is about the difference of 20 from 60, currently at 60, and it will go to 80 in end of March. That is a planned change.
Commissioner Saxe: One of the frustrations for the public is, whenever something goes wrong on line six, which is almost all the time. They speak to Stuart [Green, TTC spokesperson], and he says, we don't know. Is that over? Are we going to be able to actually answer the questions on line five?
Lali: One of the things we've taken forward is how the respective teams from the chief operating officers on both sides take that board with information that we can communicate out so that it is improved from where we were. Is there more work to do? Yes, and it will continue to prove but the important message there is, we've defined the methodology in terms of how to do that. We just need to granularize better so that is working.
Saxe: So it might be a little bit better, but we don't know yet. Is what I take from that? I'll keep going. So the line 5 start operating 6am on Sunday…
Lali: 5.40 on this Sunday.
Saxe: And to be clear, there's no party, there's no event, no celebration?
Lali: No.
Lali: So equipment issues, nothing that really is impactful that that we have seen. So that's positive. In respect to the actual speed, as I said earlier, there is a slight restricted speed within the tunnel perspective, which is about the difference of 20 from 60, currently at 60, and it will go to 80 in end of March. That is a planned change.
Commissioner Saxe: One of the frustrations for the public is, whenever something goes wrong on line six, which is almost all the time. They speak to Stuart [Green, TTC spokesperson], and he says, we don't know. Is that over? Are we going to be able to actually answer the questions on line five?
Lali: One of the things we've taken forward is how the respective teams from the chief operating officers on both sides take that board with information that we can communicate out so that it is improved from where we were. Is there more work to do? Yes, and it will continue to prove but the important message there is, we've defined the methodology in terms of how to do that. We just need to granularize better so that is working.
Saxe: So it might be a little bit better, but we don't know yet. Is what I take from that? I'll keep going. So the line 5 start operating 6am on Sunday…
Lali: 5.40 on this Sunday.
Saxe: And to be clear, there's no party, there's no event, no celebration?
Lali: No.
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RS1
New Member
The temperature is going to plummet just in time for this opening.
A 6264
Active Member
You're talking about me, aren't you. I apologize.
LNahid2000
Senior Member
15 years and we don't even get a party
mike0001
New Member
I just noticed that this thread now has 2026 pages to line up nicely with the opening date. Anyway, looking forward to checking out the new line on Sunday or early next week.
eglinton1661
Active Member
Saxe: I want to go back to the automatic braking. I mean having ridden the TTC for many decades, I think only once in my entire life, have I been in a vehicle that lurched to an immediate, sudden stop, where people would fall. That sounds like a feature we're going to have much more often on line 5. What are you going to do to communicate the need to hang on at all times on line 5?
Lali: So that feature is actually a CBTC feature, and the system feature, not just on our system, every system. So in respect to that particular point, there'll be decals within the vehicle, and there'll also be announcements made on the train as well.
Saxe: 66% on time performance for the streetcar, why is this going to be better?
Lali: Because two thirds of it is within the tunnel section and not within mixed traffic. Noted, a third is within mixed mixed traffic, but does have right away in some instances. So just by the law of averages, you could work out your speed is going to be faster. You've got uninterrupted, no congestion. You've got the ability to make a difference on the ride times.
Saxe: But even even St Clair, Spadina, with their own dedicated right away, are still really slow.
Lali: but they don't have the tunnels
Saxe: okay, ignoring the tunnel, the above ground sections…
Lali: but you can't. It's a key factor in terms of the performance.
Saxe: Well, I guess we'll have to be watching carefully. Will the line five LRT work in the snow as well as our streetcars?
Lali: Yes, because the system does not have the same snow melters and switch heaters on line five as opposed to line six.
Lali: So that feature is actually a CBTC feature, and the system feature, not just on our system, every system. So in respect to that particular point, there'll be decals within the vehicle, and there'll also be announcements made on the train as well.
Saxe: 66% on time performance for the streetcar, why is this going to be better?
Lali: Because two thirds of it is within the tunnel section and not within mixed traffic. Noted, a third is within mixed mixed traffic, but does have right away in some instances. So just by the law of averages, you could work out your speed is going to be faster. You've got uninterrupted, no congestion. You've got the ability to make a difference on the ride times.
Saxe: But even even St Clair, Spadina, with their own dedicated right away, are still really slow.
Lali: but they don't have the tunnels
Saxe: okay, ignoring the tunnel, the above ground sections…
Lali: but you can't. It's a key factor in terms of the performance.
Saxe: Well, I guess we'll have to be watching carefully. Will the line five LRT work in the snow as well as our streetcars?
Lali: Yes, because the system does not have the same snow melters and switch heaters on line five as opposed to line six.
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