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A 6264
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Who was it who said this thread MIGHT reach page=year=2026 by opening day? It will likely be filled in the next hour.
urbanclient
Active Member
I found the sound bite, thanks for letting me know.
I have serious doubts about 35 instead of 52 minutes for Yonge-Eglinton to Kennedy.
I'm predicting 35 min is the lowest end of the range if they get lucky with all green lights. Average is probably closer to 43-45 min.
TTC CEO said 55 to 59 min end-to-end right before that. (55-35=20 ; 59-35=24) Which means 20 to 24 min for the fully-underground 7.4km section west of Yonge i.e. 22 to 18.5 km/h from Mount Dennis to Yonge-Eg. That underground 18.5 to 22 km/h avg. speed in itself doesn't add up. I am predicting 25-27 km/h average speeds and 16 to 18 minute travel times between Mount Dennis and Yonge-Eg based on available info (incl. 80 to 88 km/h top speeds in tunnel, but 60 km/h would only increase travel times marginally).
Them claiming 35 min for ~11 km Yonge-Eg to Kennedy translates to just under 19 km/h avg. speed for that section, even though about 7.6 of that 11 km is mostly above ground, often crawling at 45 to 50 km/h top speeds. If the 3.4 out of 11 km underground from Yonge-Eg to Brentcliffe portal is at 22 km/h, then that would imply the other 7.6 km surface running is averaging 18 km/h. There is no way they are hitting 18 km/h with 650 metre stop spacing, 14 traffic lights, and no signal priority.
EDIT: seeing as there will be a 60 km/h speed limit in the tunnels, the line is certainly going to be averaging 60+ minutes end-to-end. That 55-59 min quote was clearly referring to travel times if improvements like 80+ km/h top speeds and TSP were reached in the future.
I thought it was 50 too. Unfortunately, 76 metres in 7 seconds is 39 km/h, in 6 seconds is 45.6 km/h. No matter how I time it, front or back of train, there is no way it hits 50 km/h.
There is clearly some sort of speed restriction in place, maybe they're overly cautious since the Sunnybrook stop is 300 metres away.
I am happy to be proven wrong on February 8th though.
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cplchanb
Senior Member
its also confirmed that until at least March the trains will run at 60km/h in the tunnels.
Thaboss
Active Member
Looooool after line 6, no politician wants to touch line 5 hahaha15 years and we don't even get a party
A 6264
Active Member
Did anyone ask him about the commemorative coins?
thettctransitfanatic
Senior Member
thettctransitfanatic
Senior Member
We'll see about that. He should be lucky this is the US and we don't have a culture of suing people for misleading statements here.
McGillicuddy
Active Member
So Eglinton ends up with interlined regular and express buses (after the LRT shuts down) for at least part of the day. Neat.
youngblood
Active Member
60km till march i believe, then 80kmh. Is this good or bad?
What does line 1/2 run at?
urbanclient
Active Member
75 and 80 km/h top speeds respectively. Line 5 is cooked, like a carbon black steak. At least until March/May/20XX, depending on your perspective.
eglinton1661
Active Member
Matlow: Can you explain why the LRT is not opening with full aggressive transit signal priority on the surface? And can you confirm that it will be fully aggressive transit signal priority?
Lali: We will have a fully operational, functioning phase rotation TSP system before the end of Q2. That's across both lines. So we've got to look at both lines in the lens in respect to where we can get the most benefit, how do we do the plan and we work that through, and the commitment is before the end of Q2 to do that.
Matlow: We've known for many years that this one day would happen, that one day it would open. Why wasn't it set up for many, many years?
Lali: The board instructed us to go with a motion to look at this in greater detail. Which we did. We were following the policy which would have been around for a long time. And from that policy, it is clear that it hasn't been updated in respect to where we are today and what we require. Then we did a trial on the phase rotation on three sites for the streetcars on which a third site is about to go live. So we were following the policy, which had been in place for many years. The motion that was provided gave us the impetus with the city to one, look at the policy again and fresh where we can make improvements. We are validating improvements via the trials we're having, and will follow through.
Matlow: I know you're fairly new as CEO, so I don’t hold you to account for previous decisions. But can you just reveal? Can you explain, to the best of your knowledge, why wasn't that done in preparation for the opening date of the Eglinton line? Given that just intuitively, we all understand that when a vehicle needs to slow down and stop, it's not as fast as a vehicle that can go swiftly through the transit signal.
Lali: So the TSP, as it stands to the old policy, will be live and working on Line 5. But it's not aggressive as you say. The aggressive TSP is based upon the trials we're doing and the updated policy. So we follow policies based upon what the city has on TSP. If the policy is old, which it was in this instance, yes, that's what we followed. So that's so I would suspect the design for this is a decade plus old. The policy is probably a decade plus plus old.
Matlow: You mentioned earlier that there will be no opening event on the eighth. There has been a lot of organizing to do an event, both on the 6th as an announcement and then the opening announcement and then the opening event, I think, right down to reaching out to the shuffle demons to see if they were available to perform. So I'm just wondering, was that canceled?
Josh Colle: I'll start with the shuffle demons. That was news to me in the paper, so I'm not sure who reportedly reached out to them. So one of the things we've done is looked at lessons learned around the globe, and obviously in our own backyard, around openings. When you embrace the kind of phased opening, there's not often the same fanfare… so the intent was to plan an opening that reflected that. Having said that we are going to be doing things along the line beginning next week, that I would call activations. We're calling it surprise and delight for many of the communities and businesses and institutions who have been waiting a long time for this line to open. And so you will be seeing those types of events over the course of February, March, and then, obviously something big and fancy with full opening. Having said that, it's my understanding that there will be a plaque unveiling on February 6 that is not being driven by the TTC. And so we anticipate the province will be doing a plaque unveiling on the sixth.
Lali: We will have a fully operational, functioning phase rotation TSP system before the end of Q2. That's across both lines. So we've got to look at both lines in the lens in respect to where we can get the most benefit, how do we do the plan and we work that through, and the commitment is before the end of Q2 to do that.
Matlow: We've known for many years that this one day would happen, that one day it would open. Why wasn't it set up for many, many years?
Lali: The board instructed us to go with a motion to look at this in greater detail. Which we did. We were following the policy which would have been around for a long time. And from that policy, it is clear that it hasn't been updated in respect to where we are today and what we require. Then we did a trial on the phase rotation on three sites for the streetcars on which a third site is about to go live. So we were following the policy, which had been in place for many years. The motion that was provided gave us the impetus with the city to one, look at the policy again and fresh where we can make improvements. We are validating improvements via the trials we're having, and will follow through.
Matlow: I know you're fairly new as CEO, so I don’t hold you to account for previous decisions. But can you just reveal? Can you explain, to the best of your knowledge, why wasn't that done in preparation for the opening date of the Eglinton line? Given that just intuitively, we all understand that when a vehicle needs to slow down and stop, it's not as fast as a vehicle that can go swiftly through the transit signal.
Lali: So the TSP, as it stands to the old policy, will be live and working on Line 5. But it's not aggressive as you say. The aggressive TSP is based upon the trials we're doing and the updated policy. So we follow policies based upon what the city has on TSP. If the policy is old, which it was in this instance, yes, that's what we followed. So that's so I would suspect the design for this is a decade plus old. The policy is probably a decade plus plus old.
Matlow: You mentioned earlier that there will be no opening event on the eighth. There has been a lot of organizing to do an event, both on the 6th as an announcement and then the opening announcement and then the opening event, I think, right down to reaching out to the shuffle demons to see if they were available to perform. So I'm just wondering, was that canceled?
Josh Colle: I'll start with the shuffle demons. That was news to me in the paper, so I'm not sure who reportedly reached out to them. So one of the things we've done is looked at lessons learned around the globe, and obviously in our own backyard, around openings. When you embrace the kind of phased opening, there's not often the same fanfare… so the intent was to plan an opening that reflected that. Having said that we are going to be doing things along the line beginning next week, that I would call activations. We're calling it surprise and delight for many of the communities and businesses and institutions who have been waiting a long time for this line to open. And so you will be seeing those types of events over the course of February, March, and then, obviously something big and fancy with full opening. Having said that, it's my understanding that there will be a plaque unveiling on February 6 that is not being driven by the TTC. And so we anticipate the province will be doing a plaque unveiling on the sixth.
JSF-1
Active Member
The worst part about this here isn't just Lali kind of dodging the question but how close Saxe was to asking the right question. The question that should have been asked is if the TTC would institute its streetcar operating practises on the surface section of the line. Saxe had the right idea but needed to be more blunt and direct about the surface section of Line 5 in its comparison to St.Clair. The TTC needed to be backed into a corner on this.
Steve X
Senior Member
Well it will be faster than the bus cause the 32 is a sh*tshow from Caledonia to Bathurst in rush hour. It’s also just as bad from Avenue to Yonge. I’m glad riders can finally get some relief hopefully if it stays running.
Chaplinurbex
New Member
I'm in this picture and I don't like it.