What do you think of this project?


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Interest rates stuck, migration slowing, immigration down, oil prices not so good, political uncertainty internationally, the Canadian economy weak ... this is clearly not the time for many nice big projects.
All of the same applies to Calgary yet they continue to have large new projects beginning in recent months. Even if one wants to argue Calgary has a stronger local economy, they are more affected by oil prices yet continue to do fine.
 
^ exactly....are Calgary developers able to stomach more risk...maybe.

Despite 15 - 20% in additional average rent over Edmonton, Calgary construction costs and land value are also higher than those in Edmonton....So how do the numbers work. My sense is that their downtown projects probably command at least 30 or 35% more than you would get in Edmonton.
 
All of the same applies to Calgary yet they continue to have large new projects beginning in recent months. Even if one wants to argue Calgary has a stronger local economy, they are more affected by oil prices yet continue to do fine.
My two cents as a non real estate insider is that they just market their downtown much better than ours, and that reflects on the interest. The perception probably plays a big role in getting people to invest money in larger projects. If you market yourself as a glitzy discount Toronto, then you're going to have people and investors believe it and spend money accordingly, either through investment or through a consumer's willingness to pay.

It's why I'm happy that there was some media buzz about the 1,800 residential units planned around O-day'min park, and I hope that continues when more of the almost 3000 units we have being built or in the DP stage move forward. We do such a bad job of marketing downtown to the public, compared to Calgary. They're patting themselves on the back for their office conversion program and the units that come with it (which works well in their situation), yet we barely talk about our downtown's successes and future trajectory. I'm hoping that changes in some way when we get the final results from the Student Housing incentive and the expected numbers from the Attainable Housing Incentive.

Hell, I'd be happy just seeing updates from the city on residential units or the yearly downtown population as a KPI, which I know is part of the Downtown Investment Plan, but publish and market that heavily to the public.

If we keep yelling into the void at how many new residential units are coming to downtown, others might take notice and ask why that's happening and maybe even get in the trend.
 
Sadly, many Edmonton developers have a group-think mindset that doesn't allow them to see beyond present-day opportunities. It hasn't always been so... but the current "don't risk it" attitude will get blown out of the water at some point and a new leader or two in the development game will show the way.
 
My two cents as a non real estate insider is that they just market their downtown much better than ours, and that reflects on the interest. The perception probably plays a big role in getting people to invest money in larger projects. If you market yourself as a glitzy discount Toronto, then you're going to have people and investors believe it and spend money accordingly, either through investment or through a consumer's willingness to pay.

It's why I'm happy that there was some media buzz about the 1,800 residential units planned around O-day'min park, and I hope that continues when more of the almost 3000 units we have being built or in the DP stage move forward. We do such a bad job of marketing downtown to the public, compared to Calgary. They're patting themselves on the back for their office conversion program and the units that come with it (which works well in their situation), yet we barely talk about our downtown's successes and future trajectory. I'm hoping that changes in some way when we get the final results from the Student Housing incentive and the expected numbers from the Attainable Housing Incentive.

Hell, I'd be happy just seeing updates from the city on residential units or the yearly downtown population as a KPI, which I know is part of the Downtown Investment Plan, but publish and market that heavily to the public.

If we keep yelling into the void at how many new residential units are coming to downtown, others might take notice and ask why that's happening and maybe even get in the trend.
I know people who take a great deal of pride in saying they NEVER go downtown. If we don’t believe in ourselves how do we expect outsiders to.
 
My two cents as a non real estate insider is that they just market their downtown much better than ours, and that reflects on the interest. The perception probably plays a big role in getting people to invest money in larger projects. If you market yourself as a glitzy discount Toronto, then you're going to have people and investors believe it and spend money accordingly, either through investment or through a consumer's willingness to pay.

It's why I'm happy that there was some media buzz about the 1,800 residential units planned around O-day'min park, and I hope that continues when more of the almost 3000 units we have being built or in the DP stage move forward. We do such a bad job of marketing downtown to the public, compared to Calgary. They're patting themselves on the back for their office conversion program and the units that come with it (which works well in their situation), yet we barely talk about our downtown's successes and future trajectory. I'm hoping that changes in some way when we get the final results from the Student Housing incentive and the expected numbers from the Attainable Housing Incentive.

Hell, I'd be happy just seeing updates from the city on residential units or the yearly downtown population as a KPI, which I know is part of the Downtown Investment Plan, but publish and market that heavily to the public.

If we keep yelling into the void at how many new residential units are coming to downtown, others might take notice and ask why that's happening and maybe even get in the trend.
Some of it is marketing, in general the media covers what is happening in Calgary much more, so we hear a lot about things like the office to residential conversion program.

I don't think it often gets mentioned Edmonton also successfully did some of this many years ago, way before Calgary ever thought of it. At times it does feel like yelling into the void to get stories about success here covered much.

If we get media coverage outside of local, it is more likely to be negative, like crime or bad weather, so that I feel reinforces the negative perceptions and some of the inferiority we also have about ourselves.
 
Sadly, many Edmonton developers have a group-think mindset that doesn't allow them to see beyond present-day opportunities. It hasn't always been so... but the current "don't risk it" attitude will get blown out of the water at some point and a new leader or two in the development game will show the way.
I feel current don't risk it attitude here is being overblown now. I am not sure if this is because Edmonton business tends to be more conservative, or there is another agenda like trying to pressure the city for concessions on certain things. Perhaps it is some of both.
 

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