[thettctransitfanatic]

Yikes.
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The description was likely from years ago, before Line 3 was closed.

 

[rdaner]

Very relieved/interested/optimistic about tomorrow’s opening as this is a significant piece of regional rail.

 

[81-717]

There was no such thing for Finch West, you were able to get onto Line 1 barrier free.

So how would proof of payment be enforced once someone transfers from line 5 to elsewhere within the paid area?

 

[EnviroTO]

If you enter through the Eglinton line I guess you have a free one way to wherever you get out of the paid gate zone, because they have gates and not tap machines like GO.

 

[reaperexpress]

So how would proof of payment be enforced once someone transfers from line 5 to elsewhere within the paid area?

It doesn't get enforced. Once someone enters the subway portion of the system there's no way of getting caught for fare evasion, since there are no fare checks on the subway. It's similar to how they created huge holes in the pay-as-you-enter zone when they converted streetcars to proof-of-payment and didn't install fare gates where they enter subway stations.

They've been making it much easier to avoid paying in general. For example, as part of the Presto gate installation they removed many floor-to-ceiling glass walls or fences that separated the fare-paid zone, and replaced them with waist-high fences that people now easily hop over. I used to commute to North York Centre, and when they had the floor-to-ceiling glass wall at the north entrance I never saw anyone enter without paying. After they removed the wall and replaced it with a low fence, it became pretty common to see people hop over it to get into the station.

 

[Johnny Au]

I will be taking photos of Line 5 Eglinton over the course of a few days as I live within walking distance from it and want to avoid crowds as much as possible. The first set to be posted will be of Oakwood station, which will be posted around midnight tomorrow (February 9).

 

[reaperexpress]

Interestingly even the underground segment of the line is surprisingly slow. Between Keele and Yonge it's slower than the Bloor subway, despite having fewer stops.

For context, 21 km/h is slower than the Waterloo LRT, which doesn't have a single grade separation and goes through dozens of traffic signals.

 

[81-717]

If you enter through the Eglinton line I guess you have a free one way to wherever you get out of the paid gate zone, because they have gates and not tap machines like GO.

It doesn't get enforced. Once someone enters the subway portion of the system there's no way of getting caught for fare evasion, since there are no fare checks on the subway.

That would make sense, and how I assumed it would be, but this had me second-guessing:

It has been announced that Line 5 will be free all day tomorrow. Does that mean there will be a barrier between the line, and the rest of the system, that we will have to go through at transfer stations? If so, will washrooms be within the free area, or will we have to pay to get to that part of the station?

You'll need proof of payment on all other lines/routes. Same as usual.

And one time I did see fare enforcement (POOs) happen well inside the paid area, at Main, on the level between street & platform, which seems utterly pointless vs. fare enforcement at the gates & other entry points.

 

[duffo]

Interestingly even the underground segment of the line is surprisingly slow. Between Keele and Yonge it's slower than the Bloor subway, despite having fewer stops.
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For context, 21 km/h is slower than the Waterloo LRT, which doesn't have a single grade separation and goes through dozens of traffic signals.

I checked the runtimes and Eglinton to Keeledales is around 16 mins over 6.5km. that is 24.4km/h, not 21. So very close to Line 2 (but yes, on wider station spacing).

 

[reaperexpress]

I checked the runtimes and Eglinton to Keeledales is around 16 mins over 6.5km. that is 24.4km/h, not 21. So very close to Line 2 (but yes, on wider station spacing).

These are 8am on Monday. It's scheduled for 18 minutes.

Line 2 is also faster on sundays, you'd need to update that as well if you want to use Sunday times

 

[Jaye101]

It doesn't get enforced. Once someone enters the subway portion of the system there's no way of getting caught for fare evasion, since there are no fare checks on the subway. It's similar to how they created huge holes in the pay-as-you-enter zone when they converted streetcars to proof-of-payment and didn't install fare gates where they enter subway stations.

They've been making it much easier to avoid paying in general. For example, as part of the Presto gate installation they removed many floor-to-ceiling glass walls or fences that separated the fare-paid zone, and replaced them with waist-high fences that people now easily hop over. I used to commute to North York Centre, and when they had the floor-to-ceiling glass wall at the north entrance I never saw anyone enter without paying. After they removed the wall and replaced it with a low fence, it became pretty common to see people hop over it to get into the station.

They've been advertising on billboards that fare enforcement is happening on subway platforms for some time now, though I think it's more of a scare tactic as I've never seen it done.

 

[11th]

Been wondering the same thing.

So will there be temporary barriers / fare gates at transfer points that will otherwise both be inside the paid area? How would those transferring from line 5 to line 1/2 pay their fare?

Seconded (except I'll be at the gym, which requires line 2 rather than line 5, hoping it won't be another shitshow of signal issues).

And one time I did see fare enforcement (POOs) happen well inside the paid area, at Main, on the level between street & platform, which seems utterly pointless vs. fare enforcement at the gates & other entry points.

As you have said, as long they can check for fare anywhere within the paid area (including on buses/streetcars), there is no need for temporary barriers for the free ride day.

 

[EnviroTO]

They have done a few blitzes that I have seen at Eglinton, but I think that is more due to the fact it was too frequent that people were walking into the bus terminal and avoiding paying. I have seen it exiting the streetcar at Union and at Spadina. But it is usually only at places where they think they have a higher chance of catching many people I think. I have never seen it in the subway vehicle. I see it once in a while on GO and UP.

 

[EnviroTO]

As you have said, as long they can check for fare anywhere within the paid area (including on buses/streetcars), there is no need for temporary barriers for the free ride day.

Checking that people paid when you aren't collecting payment doesn't make sense. The whole premise of the question is that if you make the Eglinton LRT an unpaid zone but have no way to pay as you switch to other lines at Cedarvale, Eglinton, and Kennedy, the whole system is an unpaid fare zone as long as you start from the Eglinton LRT.

 

[EglintonDayOne]

Did not see this posted. They're claiming 50-55 minutes by May, not today.