[turbanplanner]

Remember, when they took out the minor stops in Etobicoke to speed up the journey, ridership estimates significantly decreased.

When was this?

 

[thenorth]

Some more details: transit priority (green light before turning vehicles) is set up at Milady, Pearldale, and Duncanwoods.

How did you verify this? Not doubting you, just curious.

Also, is that an exhaustive list of where TSP is active, or just a subset?

 

[yurt2022]

If TSP gets this line consistently down to 40 minutes that would be good.

Then we can look at speeding it up further by 5-10 mins by increasing speed, removing limits at intersections/stations, retraining operators, etc.

 

[APTA-2048]

How did you verify this? Not doubting you, just curious.

Also, is that an exhaustive list of where TSP is active, or just a subset?

This was part of a notice shared with operators of Line 6 that I was able to see. It sounds like it’s preliminary (I’d have to read the whole thing again), but those three intersections were the ones mentioned.

That being said, would be cool to see someone catch this in action.

 

[Rainforest]

You raise a good point about having some trains running full route length while the underground sections doing a short-turn. The problem, is that such a system would significantly raise operational costs. When a system is automated, it doesn't cost a cent more to run a train every 2 minutes than every 10 except for electricity. By separating the 2 lines, the underground portion could be automated IF it has exclusive ROW on the tracks. You can't have an automated train run on the same tracks as a manually controlled one. This means that labour costs for the increased service would rise significantly. Considering how the TTC are terminally bitching about how little money it has, it should be automating lines where possible.

It is true that automated lines incur lower labour costs. And, perhaps we should pay a bit more attention to that component when designing the future lines.

That said, the saving in labour cost will be relatively small in comparison with the total Line 5 operating cost, and even smaller compared to all other manual labour costs at TTC (think all the buses and all the legacy streetcars, that will never get automatic unless the technology improves to the point where it can handle on-street operations).

Therefore, a relatively minor saving in operating costs doesn't look like a good reason to arbitrarily split one of the major lines, and definitely inconvenience a lot of riders.

 

[Bojaxs]

It is true that automated lines incur lower labour costs. And, perhaps we should pay a bit more attention to that component when designing the future lines.

That said, the saving in labour cost will be relatively small in comparison with the total Line 5 operating cost, and even smaller compared to all other manual labour costs at TTC (think all the buses and all the legacy streetcars, that will never get automatic unless the technology improves to the point where it can handle on-street operations).

Therefore, a relatively minor saving in operating costs doesn't look like a good reason to arbitrarily split one of the major lines, and definitely inconvenience a lot of riders.

Automation isn't just about reducing labour costs. It also reduces the impact of labour strikes on riders.

 

[Rainforest]

Automation isn't just about reducing labour costs. It also reduces the impact of labour strikes on riders.

I wouldn't be so sure. They still have a control centre with personnel, right?

 

[yoshirocks702]

This was part of a notice shared with operators of Line 6 that I was able to see. It sounds like it’s preliminary (I’d have to read the whole thing again), but those three intersections were the ones mentioned.

That being said, would be cool to see someone catch this in action.

I also noticed this yesterday when i was out and about, it looks like the left turn signals happens after the light turns red now.

 

[T3G]

Automation isn't just about reducing labour costs. It also reduces the impact of labour strikes on riders.

Absolutely phenomenal...!!!

"We don't want labour strikes so we'll remove the employee altogether, removing a decent, respectable option to make a living which are slowly but surely disappearing under the rise of AI. The rich will run off with all the cost savings that the average joe will never see, but at least we got to stick it those entitled would-be drivers, how dare they want decent working conditions!"

 

[Rainforest]

Absolutely phenomenal...!!!

"We don't want labour strikes so we'll remove the employee altogether, removing a decent, respectable option to make a living which are slowly but surely disappearing under the rise of AI. The rich will run off with all the cost savings that the average joe will never see, but at least we got to stick it those entitled would-be drivers, how dare they want decent working conditions!"

The rich can be replaced, too.

Once sophisticated robots win their person and property rights, they will outsmart human investors in their business decisions. "Old money" will repeat the fate of medieval landowners .. family history etc, but not much relevance.

Edit: Actually, not even sure which group gets replaced first. History can be very ironic at times.

 

[Bojaxs]

I wouldn't be so sure. They still have a control centre with personnel, right?

Key word being "reduces". I never claimed it entirley does away with issues surrounding labour strikes.

Automation helps to deter the impact of when operators/ drivers go on strike.

 

[KAR246]

The Mayor posted about signal priority implementation on Threads 20 minutes ago:

 

[T3G]

The rich can be replaced, too.

Once sophisticated robots win their person and property rights, they will outsmart human investors in their business decisions. "Old money" will repeat the fate of medieval landowners .. family history etc, but not much relevance.

Edit: Actually, not even sure which group gets replaced first. History can be very ironic at times.

They certainly can be - in my entire professional life I've never met more than a handful of managers that actually did their job better than a badly tuned AI chatbot could - but they're the ones designing the toys and the rules, so it would be quite unexpected if they were phased out instead...

 

[zang]

Automation isn't just about reducing labour costs. It also reduces the impact of labour strikes on riders.

A TTC strike every couple of decades is that much of an inconvenience, huh?

 

[Burnt creek]

Where have either the TTC or Metrolinx blamed the vehicles for slow operations on Finch??

This video, would support your claim. Note that at the 0:29 mark of the video (i.e..: Fact #2), it states that the Ottawa train is capable of speeds of up to 100 km/hr. But realistically in passenger service they will rarely go over 80 km/hr. This would suggest that the vehicle is not responsible for the slow speeds on Line 6. Also, at 1:34 (i.e..: Fact #4) they confirm that it was the same vehicles that are used on Line 6, not that we didn't already know.