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Metrolinx declined to answer detailed questions for this story. Lyndsay Miller, a spokesperson for the transit agency, wrote in a statement that the internal fleet strategy "is still in development and is not finalized."

LOL
 
So they procured used locomotives but won't refurbish then to be put into service.

No new locomotives are being purchased.

There is one F59ph being sent to North Bay to be refurbished.

They could award more contracts for coach refurbishment. There is CAD as well as GR rail that could take on the work. It's just a matter of funding.
 
My thought: “no sh*t”. As a passenger I noticed an increase in dirty trains, broken air conditioning, and broken washrooms last year.

And it looks like the rail equipment side suffered the same fate as the bus side during COVID. They didn’t even bother to bring back the 100 or so buses that sat unused for years though.
 
I fail to see how cancellation of the DB contract really had anything to do with this. Other than perhaps wasted time, effort & money on the futile endeavour. Metrolinx would still find themselves in this predicament even if they went ahead with DB.

The author points out the lost of DB's "European experience", yet DB's suggestions for GO implied they were completely out of their element in North America.

This sounds more like the government underestimated how much maintenance locomotives require.

Could Metrolinx have put in place a plan to rotate the locomotives in & out of storage during Covid? So as to not have any sitting around for too long?

Recent news that the provincial government dropped "made in Canada" requirements for locomotives in Ontario suggests to me that the Provincial government is probably in talks with Wabtec for more locomotives. And seeing as there has been little to no movement on electrical infrastructure on the GO lines, it's probably going to be newer diesel MPI locos.
 
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re "Recent news that the provincial government dropped "made in Canada" requirements for locomotives in Ontario"

Have a link? Or was it posted her before?
 
re "Recent news that the provincial government dropped "made in Canada" requirements for locomotives in Ontario"

Have a link? Or was it posted her before?


Under a 2008 policy, all transit vehicles funded by the province must be made with at least 25 per cent Canadian content.

But a newly revealed Ministry of Transportation email states that the government had planned to exempt the massive planned GO train network expansion from that policy, lowering the requirement to “zero.”
 
First, many trains went into long-term storage during the COVID-19 pandemic as service levels plummeted. Maintenance work focused on trains that were still in service, and those that were parked began to deteriorate, the document says.

But how can this be??? I was called a foamer for suggesting that perhaps parking equipment outside, untouched, subject to the elements, for several years until enough new service has been instituted to require it wasn't perhaps the optimal solution... :rolleyes:

Excited to experience more cancellations and general chaos. Metrolinx is the gift that just keeps on giving.
 
Really seems like Metrolinx dropped the ball when it came to maintaining equipment during Covid, and now it's catching up to them.

Whatever money they thought they were saving on maintenance during covid, they're paying for now.

Pay now or pay later.
 
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Really seems like Metrolinx dropped the ball when it came to maintaining equipment during Covid, and now it's catching up to them.

Whatever money they thought they were saving on maintenance during covid, they're paying for now.

Pay now or pay later.
See...this is what you get from an agency who adopts a just low frills approach to their operations. Just like theyre taking forever to repaint the coach fleet, their operations are highly reactive/retroactive and there is no impetus to bend past status quo and invest. The lower tempo during covid was a perfect time to retool and upgrade, yet they sat on their hands and now with tempo all the way back up WE will pay the price.
 
Really seems like Metrolinx dropped the ball when it came to maintaining equipment during Covid, and now it's catching up to them.

Whatever money they thought they were saving on maintenance during covid, they're paying for now.

Pay now or pay later.
Theyre paying 2x what it could've been. Inflated costs plus loss of expertise which is worth 4x the cost of materials
 
See...this is what you get from an agency who adopts a just low frills approach to their operations. Just like theyre taking forever to repaint the coach fleet, their operations are highly reactive/retroactive and there is no impetus to bend past status quo and invest. The lower tempo during covid was a perfect time to retool and upgrade, yet they sat on their hands and now with tempo all the way back up WE will pay the price.
It's pretty outrageous when you consider that the locomotives GO uses aren't even that old within the train world. Wikipedia claims that the MP40's came into service between 2008-2011, and the last of the MP54's went into service in 2018.

How is it that VIA rail can keep their locomotives running for 30+ years, and yet GO can't seem to get 20 years out of their locomotives?
 
Really seems like Metrolinx dropped the ball when it came to maintaining equipment during Covid, and now it's catching up to them.

Whatever money they thought they were saving on maintenance during covid, they're paying for now.

Pay now or pay later.
This has nothing to do with COVID.

Shortly after Alstom was told that they were not going to get the operating and maintenance contract in 2023, they put into place a hiring freeze. Their logic was that "why should we pay to train these people if we aren't going to reap the rewards of their work".

The downside of that is that they weren't hiring people who retired or left in a timely manner, so pretty quickly they got into a situation where they were shorthanded for maintenance and operating staff.

Fast forward a couple of years and Onxpress is no more - with Alstom being handed back the operating contract.

And while they are hiring and training new staff, they're still not at the point where the headcounts that they should be. So equipment is coming into the shops to be triaged, and some maintenance is being left undone.

It's pretty outrageous when you consider that the locomotives GO uses aren't even that old within the train world. Wikipedia claims that the MP40's came into service between 2008-2011, and the last of the MP54's went into service in 2018.

How is it that VIA rail can keep their locomotives running for 30+ years, and yet GO can't seem to get 20 years out of their locomotives?
It's pretty obvious that the age of the equipment has nothing to do with the problem here.

If you have a 2 year old car that you don't change the oil on, and a 50 year old car that you do, which one do you think is going to work better on a daily basis?

Dan
 
I fail to see how cancellation of the DB contract really had anything to do with this. Other than perhaps wasted time, effort & money on the futile endeavour. Metrolinx would still find themselves in this predicament even if they went ahead with DB.

The author points out the lost of DB's "European experience", yet DB's suggestions for GO implied they were completely out of their element in North America.

The sequence of events was
- Alstom was managing the work
- ML awarded the work to a consortium that did not include Alstom, and set an end date for Altsom's involvement
- Alstom made other plans for its talent who were about to be out of work
- The talent made other plans themselves, seeing as the Consortium indicated that they were bringing in their own experts (DB) and there wasn't much prospect of being retained
- The transition failed to happen, DB did not assume operation, and the talent that DB promised never arrived
- Alstom was then asked to continue managing the work, but the talent had already moved on

This sounds more like the government underestimated how much maintenance locomotives require.

Or somebody in the food chain (which begins at ML, extends through its Board, and over to QP) didn't want to hear what the working level was explaining about the reality of what it would take to restart ML after Covid, and carried on as if everything was fine.

Heck, no one could figure out how ML was going to implement the service increases it was promising before Covid, given availability of equipment and lag time to train sufficient crews.

I don't fault ML for cutting back during Covid. Their ridership fell dramaticallly. And, the nature of how the pandemic unfolded made it extremely hard to say with certainty when and how quickly service would resume, or if it ever would. No business could simply sustain readiness to resume for that length of time.

The DB caper definitely didn't help, as it was a "Hail Mary" for the food chain....., who assumed that DB would save them and they didn't need to know the details......the Achilles Heel of P3's.....until....DB revealed its intentions and they didn't fit somebody's bigger plan.

Oh,, and Phil Verster.

At the end of the day, we apparently have a draft recovery strategy and we have at least one whistleblower who gave a reporter something tangible to report on.

I hope ML will be mature enough to "rip the bandaid off" and deal with the problem openly and pragmatically. Given everything to date, that may be naive. I wonder if the strategy document will now be sanitised to something less on point.

- Paul
 
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