APTA-2048
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StreetcarRider
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Here's coverage from the CBC:
The article observes at the very end that "Peterborough city council recently voted to support the project". If you follow all the links, it appears that Peterborough expressed this strong support yesterday at 6pm in the following terms:
WHEREAS the Government of Canada has announced the development of the ALTO High-Speed Rail Project, a transformative national infrastructure initiative designed to connect major population and economic centres within the Toronto to Quebec City corridor;
AND WHEREAS the City of Peterborough is strategically positioned within eastern Ontario and the Greater Toronto economic region, making it a natural and viable location for a station stop that would serve a rapidly growing population across Peterborough, the Kawarthas, and surrounding communities;
AND WHEREAS the inclusion of a high-speed rail station in Peterborough would significantly strengthen regional economic development, workforce mobility, tourism, and business investment, while enhancing access to national markets and employment opportunities;
AND WHEREAS improved intercity transportation infrastructure aligns with the City’s goals of sustainable growth, reduced congestion, climate-conscious mobility, and increased housing affordability through better regional connectivity;
AND WHEREAS high-speed rail stations in comparable jurisdictions have proven to act as major economic catalysts, attracting private investment, supporting downtown revitalization, and strengthening regional competitiveness;
AND WHEREAS the Peterborough region represents a strong opportunity to serve a broad catchment area across eastern Ontario, reducing travel pressure on the Greater Toronto Area while supporting balanced regional development;
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT the Council of the City of Peterborough formally expresses its full support for the inclusion of Peterborough as a designated station stop within the planning and development of the ALTO High-Speed Rail Project;
AND THAT Council urge the Government of Canada and project proponents to recognize the strategic economic, geographic, and regional mobility advantages of establishing a high-speed rail stop serving the Peterborough region;
AND THAT the City of Peterborough reaffirms its commitment to working collaboratively with federal and provincial partners to ensure this once in a generation infrastructure project delivers lasting economic opportunity, sustainable mobility, and regional prosperity for the people of Peterborough and surrounding communities
AND THAT the City of Peterborough actively engage, collaborate and work with federal, provincial partners, and all other stakeholders to advance the case for Peterborough as a critical node within the national high-speed rail network;
AND FURTHER THAT this resolution be circulated to: The Government of Canada, The Right Honourable Mark Carney, Prime Minister of Canada, The Honourable Steven MacKinnon, Minister of Transport, Martin Imbleau, President and CEO, Alto, The Ontario Ministry of Transportation, Local Members of Parliament and Members of Provincial Parliament representing the Peterborough Region, Municipalities across the Kawartha Region and Eastern Ontario, Regional Economic Development and transportation partners.
The article observes at the very end that "Peterborough city council recently voted to support the project". If you follow all the links, it appears that Peterborough expressed this strong support yesterday at 6pm in the following terms:
WHEREAS the Government of Canada has announced the development of the ALTO High-Speed Rail Project, a transformative national infrastructure initiative designed to connect major population and economic centres within the Toronto to Quebec City corridor;
AND WHEREAS the City of Peterborough is strategically positioned within eastern Ontario and the Greater Toronto economic region, making it a natural and viable location for a station stop that would serve a rapidly growing population across Peterborough, the Kawarthas, and surrounding communities;
AND WHEREAS the inclusion of a high-speed rail station in Peterborough would significantly strengthen regional economic development, workforce mobility, tourism, and business investment, while enhancing access to national markets and employment opportunities;
AND WHEREAS improved intercity transportation infrastructure aligns with the City’s goals of sustainable growth, reduced congestion, climate-conscious mobility, and increased housing affordability through better regional connectivity;
AND WHEREAS high-speed rail stations in comparable jurisdictions have proven to act as major economic catalysts, attracting private investment, supporting downtown revitalization, and strengthening regional competitiveness;
AND WHEREAS the Peterborough region represents a strong opportunity to serve a broad catchment area across eastern Ontario, reducing travel pressure on the Greater Toronto Area while supporting balanced regional development;
NOW THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED THAT the Council of the City of Peterborough formally expresses its full support for the inclusion of Peterborough as a designated station stop within the planning and development of the ALTO High-Speed Rail Project;
AND THAT Council urge the Government of Canada and project proponents to recognize the strategic economic, geographic, and regional mobility advantages of establishing a high-speed rail stop serving the Peterborough region;
AND THAT the City of Peterborough reaffirms its commitment to working collaboratively with federal and provincial partners to ensure this once in a generation infrastructure project delivers lasting economic opportunity, sustainable mobility, and regional prosperity for the people of Peterborough and surrounding communities
AND THAT the City of Peterborough actively engage, collaborate and work with federal, provincial partners, and all other stakeholders to advance the case for Peterborough as a critical node within the national high-speed rail network;
AND FURTHER THAT this resolution be circulated to: The Government of Canada, The Right Honourable Mark Carney, Prime Minister of Canada, The Honourable Steven MacKinnon, Minister of Transport, Martin Imbleau, President and CEO, Alto, The Ontario Ministry of Transportation, Local Members of Parliament and Members of Provincial Parliament representing the Peterborough Region, Municipalities across the Kawartha Region and Eastern Ontario, Regional Economic Development and transportation partners.
Thaboss
Active Member
Are you new to this?
If they did that many groups would complain about the ROW and call out the lack of consultation.
Imo the issue is not that some ppl oppose the line, that was always going to happen, but at least they're following a tried and true processes of consultation..
Case and point, PP is now opposing the line by stating that "only people who will be able to ride Alto's high-speed railway are 'wealthy passengers who can afford the costly ticket."
Poilievre calls for cancellation of multibillion-dollar high-speed rail project
Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre is calling on the federal government to cancel a proposed high-speed rail line between Toronto and Quebec City.
www.ctvnews.ca
And perhaps the most common criticism of the line is that it won't benefit smaller communities at all.
No matter how alto was introduce the above was always going to be a fundamental issue with rural constituencies. pp is naturally going to exploit that.
The libs were never getting those rural votes and can safely try to address their concerns and then ignore the more radicals, but having PP come out and so publicly call for the end of the project is highly concerning to me because I believe that the project will need at least two mandates to see its guaranteed completion..thus now requiring the CPC to lose another election. Certainly possible but I'm not a fan of those odds
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micheal_can
Senior Member
I know that regardless it would have push back. That is not the issue. The issue is how vague the affected area is. Someone living just inside the shaded area will think they may be just as affected as the property that will have the tracks go through it. A tighter line drawing would remove that. Then the protestors would be focused on the areas that actually will be affected. And, yes, there are different types of affects. Noise, road closures, actual work and the actual ROW are among the many affects. The question is whether they should all be addressed at the same time. Or, could those affected areas be addressed with separate maps?Are you new to this?
If they did that many groups would complain about the ROW and call out the lack of consultation.
Imo the issue is not that some ppl oppose the line, that was always going to happen, but at least they're following a tried and true processes of consultation..
Case and point, PP is now opposing the line by stating that "only people who will be able to ride Alto's high-speed railway are 'wealthy passengers who can afford the costly ticket."
Poilievre calls for cancellation of multibillion-dollar high-speed rail project
Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre is calling on the federal government to cancel a proposed high-speed rail line between Toronto and Quebec City.
And perhaps the most common criticism of the line is that it won't benefit smaller communities at all.
No matter how alto was introduce the above was always going to be a fundamental issue with rural constituencies. pp is naturally going to exploit that.
McGillicuddy
Active Member
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These resolutions are non-binding upon the leader, the parliamentary caucus, and future election campaigns. They allow the membership to say things, but the trump card has always been that the leader has to appeal to people outside the party in order to win elections, and therefore needs latitude to act independently of these declarations. In practice, that means they mean bupkis.
You know how clever parents will sometimes keep a child out from underfoot by, say, handing them a spoon and asking them to stir a measuring cup of plain milk? Not a million miles removed from Canadian political parties inviting their members to draft policy resolutions.
These resolutions are non-binding upon the leader, the parliamentary caucus, and future election campaigns. They allow the membership to say things, but the trump card has always been that the leader has to appeal to people outside the party in order to win elections, and therefore needs latitude to act independently of these declarations. In practice, that means they mean bupkis.
TwoWheelPoli
Active Member
Pierre Poilievre's call to scrap Alto is yet another reason why he must NEVER become Prime Minister! Even Doug Ford is OK with a different alignment of HSR for crying out loud!Are you new to this?
If they did that many groups would complain about the ROW and call out the lack of consultation.
Imo the issue is not that some ppl oppose the line, that was always going to happen, but at least they're following a tried and true processes of consultation..
Case and point, PP is now opposing the line by stating that "only people who will be able to ride Alto's high-speed railway are 'wealthy passengers who can afford the costly ticket."
Poilievre calls for cancellation of multibillion-dollar high-speed rail project
Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre is calling on the federal government to cancel a proposed high-speed rail line between Toronto and Quebec City.
And perhaps the most common criticism of the line is that it won't benefit smaller communities at all.
No matter how alto was introduce the above was always going to be a fundamental issue with rural constituencies. pp is naturally going to exploit that.
The libs were never getting those rural votes and can safely try to address their concerns and then ignore the more radicals, but having PP come out and so publicly call for the end of the project is highly concerning to me because I believe that the project will need at least two mandates to see its guaranteed completion..thus now requiring the CPC to lose another election. Certainly possible but I'm not a fan of those odds
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Thaboss
Active Member
Hardly concerning.
The row will become public by the fall. Several years before the start of construction so we're really only talking a year from consultation to release of the supposed final ROW.
This is incredibly reasonable and imo necessary. You must listen to the stakeholders before making big decisions like this even if some of the stakeholders hold extreme views. Get it out in the open and address concerns where you can.
And I will remind you again. Libs voters are not at odds here. They hardly care about the details of the ROW, other than kimgstonites. To be crude, you do not need the conservative continuatants in the country side to be 100 percent on board here and frankly they never will be
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StreetcarRider
Active Member
And now, a response from the mayor of PTBO:
Peterborough mayor slams Poilievre’s opposition to Alto high-speed rail | kawarthaNOW
By Bruce Head. Jeff Leal calls project a 'transformative nation-building' opportunity after Conservative leader calls it a 'boondoggle' and vows to cancel it.
kawarthanow.com
Peterborough mayor Jeff Leal has issued a statement criticizing Conservative leader Pierre Poilievre after he announced his party’s opposition to the Alto high-speed rail project during a media conference on Tuesday (March 31) at a farm at Elmhirst’s Resort in Keene in Peterborough County. ...
In his statement, Leal said the Alto project “will significantly strengthen economic development, business investment, tourism, and employment opportunities in Peterborough, and the construction will create jobs and opportunities for local businesses.”
“The last time the Conservatives destroyed a national building project was the Avro Arrow in 1959,” Leal said. “That shortsighted decision devastated Canada’s aerospace industry, with many of the country’s top engineers leaving the country. The talent that left Canada from that Conservative decision helped put the Americans on the moon in 1969.”
Leal concluded his statement by saying “the City of Peterborough will continue to work closely with Alto and the Government of Canada to take advantage of the economic and social benefits of this important project.” ...
crs1026
Superstar
The Alberta government is reported to be about to release a position on high speed rail.
I wonder what PP will say if Alberta wants one too.
- Paul
I wonder what PP will say if Alberta wants one too.
- Paul
generalcanada
Senior Member
on alto hsr or their own hsr between edmonton and calgary?
crs1026
Superstar
Their own, and they made a point about private investment - but I'm sure they will want equal treatment re funding from Ottawa.
- Paul
CapitalSeven
Senior Member
They can call it ALTA.
guavadelic
Active Member
Conservatives have been watching the opposition to this bubble in recent weeks and likely saw an opportunity to exploit it as a wedge issue.
The decision for PP to announce this in the Peterborough area seems especially baffling, but PP hasn't shown much in the way of political instincts in the past year.
micheal_can
Senior Member
This would be a great flip flop. I wonder if they get it approved whether it will change things regarding separation?
