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We can hope that Skippy will be turfed soon. There's blood in the water...
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Mihairokov
Senior Member
So who replaces Poilievre? Who forces his ouster? There's nobody waiting in the wings who isn't in his inner-circle.
urbanclient
Active Member
"How Mark Carney found someone who was to the right of Pierre Poilievre, and was able to poach them is beyond me."
christiesplits
Senior Member
I'm curious how many more floor-crossings it would take to force Poilievre to step down. Three more and he's toast?
Full Metal Junkie
Senior Member
picard102
Senior Member
Profoundly disappointing for the Liberals who have principals beyond getting a majority. Further cementing that the Liberals are a Conservative lead party.
Richard White
Senior Member
Likely 3.
If enough people cross to give him a stable majority that would be a vote of non-confidence in his leadership. Simply put, he would go from having a chance to bring down the government to losing control of his party and that ability.
hw621
Senior Member
Exactly what is causing these defections?!
nfitz
Superstar
Carney got his majority today. Liberals have 171 seats today, out of 340 MPs. Which gives them power to change rules, rejig committees so they control them all, and now would have a majority.
Winning a single one of three by-elections would allow the Liberals to keep their majority. Which seems certain, even if they lose Terrebonne (which is a toss-up) and Scarborough Southwest (which should be safe, but there's always the party-switching issue with the former-NDP Liberal candidate). I see no chance that the Liberals lose University—Rosedale.
Given how much support he had at the last convention, I don't see much chance he is gone soon. Even a caucus revolt looks increasingly unlikely given that those still on the ship would be the ones doing less revolting.
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Richard White
Senior Member
By the numbers yes and no. In practicality no.
They have 171 MPs but one of them is the Speaker who doesn't vote unless there's a tie.
Practically speaking they have an even split of 170 a piece.
Mihairokov
Senior Member
I don't think any number would motivate him to step down. He'll need to be forced out. It would hurt his pride far too much to be told to leave.
Not sure DoFo is up to having to deal with Albertans, or caring about anything outside of Toronto, but if his slipping numbers in Ontario are any indication the timing may end up working out for him.
There's no sense pretending that both the CPC and LPC aren't centre-neoliberal parties interested in preserving the status quo. All the LPC ever do is steal policies, and now MPs, from other parties and suit it to whatever narrative they're working with on the day.
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
Meanwhile...
Conservative Leader Pierre Poilievre’s communications director Katy Merrifield is resigning.
Poilievre’s communications director Katy Merrifield resigns
From https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/poilievres-communications-director-katy-merrifield-resigns/article_1bbdbbc1-5c93-531f-bcdd-dc03f69aeb4a.htmlConservative Leader Pierre Poilievre’s communications director Katy Merrifield is resigning.
picard102
Senior Member
The LPC at least pretended to care about people under Trudeau. Now they are fully welcoming an anti-abortion, anti-vaccine, socon into the party.
thettctransitfanatic
Senior Member
Up to 40 MPs fear Poilievre will cost them their seats, insiders say
Up to 40 Conservative MPs are worried that they could lose their seats if Pierre Poilievre leads the party into the next election against Liberal Prime Minister Mark Carney, said two federal Conservative sources after the party lost a fourth MP on Wednesday.
Dissatisfaction and worries about their future under Poilievre’s leadership has many questioning whether or not a bolder move to spark change is required, with some MPs discussing whether to invoke caucus powers to force Poilievre out, according to one federal Conservative.
Another federal caucus source said they were not aware of any discussions about using powers MPs have under the Reform Act that require just 20 per cent of a caucus to sign a letter that would then force a secret caucus ballot that could oust a sitting leader. But the second source confirmed the first source’s estimation that more than three dozen MPs fear they cannot win re-election under Poilievre.
“That’s real,” said the second source, who declined to be identified in order to speak freely about caucus tensions.
“People are looking at the polls and they’re saying, you know what, I’m not going to win. This guy isn’t able to change it around and he’s not making the changes around him,” said the source. “It’s just a matter of self-survival.”
“Pierre’s got to go,” said the first source.
The sources spoke to the Star after Sarnia—Lambton—Bkejwanong MP Marilyn Gladu defected to the government benches.
Whether or not any MPs actually make a move against Poilievre is unclear, but what many observed is that the Conservatives are in a rut.
“Caucus now just is sitting there, there’s no morale, there is no rah rah rah, there’s no excitement, there’s nothing,” said the second source who spoke to the Star, and suggested Poilievre’s recent forays onto podcasts hosted by a popular British host Steven Bartlett, and American podcaster Joe Rogan did little to expand the party’s reach, adding that senior voters who like Carney “don’t listen to Joe Rogan.”
The insider said Gladu’s move was surprising because she is viewed “not as a centre-conservative, but more of a right-wing conservative” who should have been more at home in Poilievre’s caucus than Carney’s, but the source said Poilievre has “ignored her” for three year. Conservatives responded with shock to Wednesday’s departure of Gladu, a one-time Conservative leadership candidate, just before the Liberals gather in Montreal for a policy convention, days before byelection votes are scheduled in three ridings — two in Toronto and one in the Montreal area. The Liberals are expected to win the Toronto races. The Montreal one is seen as a toss-up between the Liberals and the Bloc Québécois.
Even without the three riding results, the current vacancies mean that Liberals have now got 171 MPs, one more than the combined 170 votes of all of the Opposition parties.
Gladu’s exit leaves the Conservatives with 140 MPs.
Poilievre reacted via a statement on “X”, formerly Twitter by criticizing Carney for what he calls an undemocratic power play.
“Mark Carney seizing a costly Liberal majority that voters denied him, and doing so through backroom deals,” the leader said, in a statement similar to his reactions at the departure of three other Conservative MPs over the past several months.
Up to 40 Conservative MPs are worried that they could lose their seats if Pierre Poilievre leads the party into the next election against Liberal Prime Minister Mark Carney, said two federal Conservative sources after the party lost a fourth MP on Wednesday.
Dissatisfaction and worries about their future under Poilievre’s leadership has many questioning whether or not a bolder move to spark change is required, with some MPs discussing whether to invoke caucus powers to force Poilievre out, according to one federal Conservative.
Another federal caucus source said they were not aware of any discussions about using powers MPs have under the Reform Act that require just 20 per cent of a caucus to sign a letter that would then force a secret caucus ballot that could oust a sitting leader. But the second source confirmed the first source’s estimation that more than three dozen MPs fear they cannot win re-election under Poilievre.
“That’s real,” said the second source, who declined to be identified in order to speak freely about caucus tensions.
“People are looking at the polls and they’re saying, you know what, I’m not going to win. This guy isn’t able to change it around and he’s not making the changes around him,” said the source. “It’s just a matter of self-survival.”
“Pierre’s got to go,” said the first source.
The sources spoke to the Star after Sarnia—Lambton—Bkejwanong MP Marilyn Gladu defected to the government benches.
Whether or not any MPs actually make a move against Poilievre is unclear, but what many observed is that the Conservatives are in a rut.
“Caucus now just is sitting there, there’s no morale, there is no rah rah rah, there’s no excitement, there’s nothing,” said the second source who spoke to the Star, and suggested Poilievre’s recent forays onto podcasts hosted by a popular British host Steven Bartlett, and American podcaster Joe Rogan did little to expand the party’s reach, adding that senior voters who like Carney “don’t listen to Joe Rogan.”
The insider said Gladu’s move was surprising because she is viewed “not as a centre-conservative, but more of a right-wing conservative” who should have been more at home in Poilievre’s caucus than Carney’s, but the source said Poilievre has “ignored her” for three year. Conservatives responded with shock to Wednesday’s departure of Gladu, a one-time Conservative leadership candidate, just before the Liberals gather in Montreal for a policy convention, days before byelection votes are scheduled in three ridings — two in Toronto and one in the Montreal area. The Liberals are expected to win the Toronto races. The Montreal one is seen as a toss-up between the Liberals and the Bloc Québécois.
Even without the three riding results, the current vacancies mean that Liberals have now got 171 MPs, one more than the combined 170 votes of all of the Opposition parties.
Gladu’s exit leaves the Conservatives with 140 MPs.
Poilievre reacted via a statement on “X”, formerly Twitter by criticizing Carney for what he calls an undemocratic power play.
“Mark Carney seizing a costly Liberal majority that voters denied him, and doing so through backroom deals,” the leader said, in a statement similar to his reactions at the departure of three other Conservative MPs over the past several months.
hw621
Senior Member
So it's all about their seats now and fuck the people and the ideology they are supposed to represent?