micheal_can
Senior Member
I meant the passenger level, not the delays or cancellations.
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CMQSD402F9011
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I don’t see Americans having a problem with street running on their towns
micheal_can
Senior Member
Show me a new line that would see several regular trains a day that are commuter and intercity trains.
crs1026
Superstar
Let's see your analysis of how this would work in Barrie. Routing? How much expropriation needed. Cost ?
And let's see your projection about what it would take to get this idea through an EA, local zoning, and Barrie's political environment)
(Hint: you are working from railfan lore, and not anything more realistic or practical than that)
- Paul
lenaitch
Senior Member
The blog article just titled the data as "2025", but certainly, winter ridership would be lower.
Street running railways are legacy routes largely to service industrial customers (are there any left in Canada?). I suspect many predate the road that they are now on. In addition to local opposition, I suspect the CTA would never approve a heavy rail corridor comingled with a public road.
Again. all of this for passenger train or two a day.
People seem to accept that it was a natural progression that Toronto 're-claimed' its waterfront from industrial use, and turn it back to the people, but decry that other communities did the same thing.
smallspy
Senior Member
While that's a pleasant thought, physics (and experience) says that you are very, very wrong on this.
Dan
Krypto98
Active Member
Might as well have ONR take over the freights too as we can't allow filthy Toronto elites run 451/450 anymore
NorthernTracks
New Member
Total ridership (on/off) for the year was 6,964. Source: VIA Rail
Sudbury-White River Train
Train Information+ Corridor: Sudbury to White River Frequency: Three times a week in each direction (Year Round) Service Provider: VIA Rail Schedule: Westbound | Eastbound Ridership Data+ Detailed …
northerntracks.blog
I still believe this train needs to be extended West to Thunder Bay. There is more of a market to generate year round ridership with the addition of Marathon, Terrace Bay, Schreiber, Nipigon, Shuniah, a few First Nation communities, and last, but certainly not least, Thunder Bay.
I know there are hurdles (many) that need to be overcome for this to happen.
Transport Canada/VIA/Parliament doesn't consider West of White River "remote". However, the argument that the TransCanada highway (which runs parallel to the CPKC mainline) falls apart when it is repeatedly closed due to accidents and weather conditions. No detours available in certain areas, and cell service is absent during chunks of the drive.
There are similar as the issues cited in the UIBC for the Northlander which can be made to justify the extension. There's the added caviat that the country is litterally split in two when highways 11/17 are closed between Nipigon and Thunder Bay.
White River is the only end-point train station in VIA's network that is closed to the public, and one of only three that is unstaffed (Sarnia and Niagara Falls being the other two), again, according to VIA's website. I hold the opinion that this isn't an appropriate place to terminate a passenger train, when there are larger communities further up the line.
lenaitch
Senior Member
While agree it would be nice, I don't think there is anything in the tea leaves that indicates the government is willing to expand VIA service. While seasonal highway closures are an issue, I expect the federal government would say that is a provincial problem to solve. Closures have an oversized impact on commercial traffic which, obviously, a passenger train cannot solve.Total ridership (on/off) for the year was 6,964. Source: VIA Rail
Sudbury-White River Train
Train Information+ Corridor: Sudbury to White River Frequency: Three times a week in each direction (Year Round) Service Provider: VIA Rail Schedule: Westbound | Eastbound Ridership Data+ Detailed …
I still believe this train needs to be extended West to Thunder Bay. There is more of a market to generate year round ridership with the addition of Marathon, Terrace Bay, Schreiber, Nipigon, Shuniah, a few First Nation communities, and last, but certainly not least, Thunder Bay.
I know there are hurdles (many) that need to be overcome for this to happen.
Transport Canada/VIA/Parliament doesn't consider West of White River "remote". However, the argument that the TransCanada highway (which runs parallel to the CPKC mainline) falls apart when it is repeatedly closed due to accidents and weather conditions. No detours available in certain areas, and cell service is absent during chunks of the drive.
There are similar as the issues cited in the UIBC for the Northlander which can be made to justify the extension. There's the added caviat that the country is litterally split in two when highways 11/17 are closed between Nipigon and Thunder Bay.
White River is the only end-point train station in VIA's network that is closed to the public, and one of only three that is unstaffed (Sarnia and Niagara Falls being the other two), again, according to VIA's website. I hold the opinion that this isn't an appropriate place to terminate a passenger train, when there are larger communities further up the line.
In my experience, communities from Marathon west tend to have Thunder Bay as their 'city anchor' (White River and south go to The Soo). While there might be some ridership between TBay and the northshore communities, I'm not sure there is a viable ridership of people from that area to Sudbury, let alone endure the roughly 16 hours it would take to get there.
micheal_can
Senior Member
If we are going to restore it to Thunder Bay, Why not go to Winnipeg and cover all the major communities along 17 in NWO?
My tea leaves says if the province has the political capital, they may do it. Via? Definitely not till they have replacement fleet. That order will indicate whether Via will just keep the service they have or whether they plan on any expansions.
micheal_can
Senior Member
Anyone know why a GO bus would be transiting Highway 69? Is Ontario Northland short of buses?
White Pine
Active Member
Wouldn't read too much into it. Here in Pembroke, I've seen a GO transit car (can't remember if I've seen a bus), OC transpo busses, and an unmarked one that, judging by the colours, I guessed was going to North Bay. These things randomly happen once in a while.
Voltz
Senior Member
Was it a new one? Could be getting delivered from the factory in Winnipeg.
micheal_can
Senior Member
I don't know. My wife was driving home and she mentioned it to me.
