Voltz
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It would be a blast
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lenaitch
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Literally!
Admiral Beez
Superstar
Once the province has the green light from Ottawa there’s nothing to stop the YTO runway being expanded to 6,000 ft plus overruns.
jje1000
Senior Member
I think any airport runway extension should be contingent on the creation of a North-South pedestrian link from the terminal to Hanlan's Point, which would probably take the form of a set of pathways and bridges hugging the east side of the airport.
I get that some waterfront residents don't want more traffic at the airport, but IMO this is an opportunity for the city to extract something from the airport, rather than getting shut out completely.
Bureaucromancer
Active Member
If we go down that path we should also be holding out for a proper and sheltered pedestrian link up to Queens Quay.
rdaner
Senior Member
I was at Bathurst Quay yesterday, and while I see arguments on both sides, the extension will be really intrusive. The problems will continue until a PLAN for the Airport Lands is done.
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lenaitch
Senior Member
I was being factitious it's correctly Princess Juliana Airport). If you have ever been there, right off the end of the runway is a road then a beach. The runway is only 7500' and regularly sees large, widebody aircraft. They have to spool up right at the threshold and the tourists stand in the blast of jet exhaust and sand. It's a fairly dramatic takeoff since there is a small mountain just off the other end.
Northern Light
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*Cross Post to Ookwemin thread. *
On the Planning and Housing agenda for next week:
From the above:
On the Planning and Housing agenda for next week:
From the above:
Admiral Beez
Superstar
If we don't extend the runway, what aircraft would operate from Billy Bishop in 2040? By then, even the youngest Q400s will be over 20 years old, and wishful thinking aside, I don't see DHC restarting production. Porter and AC will have to either buy the ATR or cease operations at YTO.
Imagine this is your landing, lol.
Imagine this is your landing, lol.
robmausser
Senior Member
If we don't extend the runway, even the q400's won't be able to operate at BB in 5 years.
THe current runway is technically too short right now for even the q400's to be in line with Transport Canada's updated requirements for runway lengths. They are operating on a grandfathered license essentially.
TC has indicated that they will not allow this to go on for much longer.
The current question is not to extend the runway or not, it is 100% happening. The question is, by how much.
Admiral Beez
Superstar
Key West, Florida has a 5,076 ft runway and allows A319 and 737s if lightly loaded. I assume that’s the end goal, even if we start off with Porter’s smaller Embraer E195s and AC’s CRJ200s. Do we have any renderings of YTZ at 5,500 to 6,000 ft or more?
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nfitz
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I don't see them being allowed to land on A319s and 737s no matter how loaded, with the current runway extension of 5,148 ft. I doubt they'd meet the sound requirements either.
For the A220 or E195? The stats I see don't seem to be much different from the Dash 8. An extra 800 feet. so yeah, about 6,000 I'd think. An extra 260 metres. About the distance from Bay Street to York Street.
So about the red below, I'd wager. Shock, horrors. Nothing like the silly images the Nimby's post, that look like they could land an A380 or AN-225.
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Woodbridge_Heights
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There's nobody living in the western GTA who is going to flying out of bb. Unless maybe they work in the city. There's no city served by BB that isn't served by Pearson and is more convenient to access.
SubHuman
Active Member
If you mean YTZ (YTO is apparently the code "for multiple airports in the area, including those without passenger service") --
https://archive.ph/3ZTB2
scroll down to "How much longer would the runway need to be?
The planes usually arrive from the east, but the southern part of Trillium Park would be a great place to watch them arrive from the west, if the end of the runway was right there.
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Admiral Beez
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That’s longer than Key West’s 5,076 ft, where both types operate.
I assume those rules can be as easily erased by Queens Park’s overrunning the current YTO agreement against jets.