Well, I'm not sure you can do without one. So whether you think Jarvis ought to be that street, or an as-yet-laid-out alternate...there needs to be a route :) Neither Spadina nor University are alternates to Jarvis - they're simply too far away! Yonge, Sherbourne and Parliament are too...

That it's comprised mostly of high capacity N/S routes where Toronto has but a handful? I'm suggesting the latter, while you seem to think I'm suggesting the former.

Right but this area, like that area of NYC, serves as a transit corridor for more than just the immediate population. Jarvis is one of the few N/S corridors into and out of the city. Why do you keep trying to ignore the reality of that in favour of some weird local-only distortion? I never...

Sorry, I used "if". I know I've made some egregious spelling mistakes in this thread, but that one I'm pretty sure I got right. Also, I made sure to reference New York's much denser transit network. When did I make the point "that employment cannot be met without increased road capacity in...

Again, they would only need to increase their capacity if, at the end of their building cycle, their capacity was maxed. If the network had extra capacity for future volume increases - then they don't need to increase the road capacity in time with increases in population. Of course, this...

I'll never understand why, as Corktowners, this is a preferable scenario to keeping the Gardiner. I think it's absolutely balls that the city, and this forum, put theoretical residents ahead of real ones, and not-yet-planned neighbourhoods ahead of 200 year old ones. I can understand why...

my favourite: "The running track on the fifth floor represents the only moment when the ramping ceases and a flat surface prevails – a sleight of hand on the architect’s part, and an unexpected luxury that fit vacationers can enjoy in the cooler months." In the future, a flat floor is...

And the density of NYC roads and avenues (not to mention transit) doesn't compare to the said area of Toronto. Sorry, did I suggest that I had a crystal ball and that I was reading directly into the future? I've got a great body, and I glow, but...I'm not blue. 2/3 ain't bad.

You can keep trying to argue the above, but I'm telling you - there's not enough information there to draw any kind of conclusion. Except that you haven't established that Manhatten needed to increase capacity from what it had, and instead refused to. You're thinking the West Side Highway...

It isn't relative to the capacity of a single street - it's relative to the capacity of the surrounding area. I don't think it's a hard comparison to make between Toronto and New York. NYC is blessed with wide arterial avenues, with the cross-streets being narrower but more numerous. :)...

Who's arguing for expressways cutting through the city? Jarvis isn't an expressway. It is delusional, but ideas you put forth can't be blamed on me.

"proof" of what? Relative to what we're doing with Jarvis, it's wider.

*shrug* Don't be bitter, be better.

Something missing from the Jarvis St. suggestions.

Didn't say there was. Just pointing out that without mentioning any specifics, any numbers, anything, it was just conjecture - equal in value to suggesting it might have had surplus capacity. New York is larger than Toronto. New York hasn't built new capacity in 60 years (false anyway)...

It's silly because it compares nothing :) Manhatten could have had an extreme surplus of capacity for the last 60 years, in which case it wouldn't need to add capacity. In truth, they have added capacity though. They've reorganized their street grid into predominately one-way streets (when was...

It's not the least accessible thing I'm into :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v7HPWf51oUQ&feature=related Life IS a mystery, eh? <edit: fabulous link BTW, couldn't watch it until now> :D

that isn't really a fair assessment. New York did what Toronto was trying to do in the 50s and 60s, way back in the 20s and 30s (and way before), when there was little organized opposition. They didn't need major development of roads in the 50s because the work had already been done. They...

It was really just a one-time thing. Normally we're on very different balconies. Patrizio di Renzo for Majo Fruithof Such phenomenal work. Yeah, and I can't really go there. I touch on that idea when I say it's not unlike your parents being unable to understand their kids music, while...

You give me both too much and not enough credit sometimes :) I think this has turned a bit into Starship Troopers. Most of the cast is in on Verhoeven's joke, but not Casper Van Dien; he's at his earnest best, and keeps missing everyone else's wink-wink, nudge-nudge. More than that even, it...