You recognize that healthy debate doesn't equal "right wing apologists" right? Someone saying "I think we got it wrong on this particular issue" does not make one a member of Ford Nation (especially when that person reiterates over and over how in general they despise the man)

Or Denzil Minnan-Wong who has been one of the most outspoken and forceful critics of Ford the last few months.

So do we get to hate Wynne for not declaring an emergency as well? Or just Rob Ford?

Prove it. Not one single actual source says this to be true. I'd like to hear exactly what COULD happen that's not happening due to Ford's refusal. I want to agree with you - I really do. The idea that Ford's ignorance and stubbornness is somehow harming the city and impeding the response...

Absolutely. I would have a little more tolerance if something unexpected and unpredictable happened suddenly. But that's certainly not what happened with this storm. By the way - Amin Massoudi disagrees with that narrative. So I guess we can either believe HIM or Robyn Doolittle's sources. :)...

The other thing about declaring a state of emergency. It seems to effectively transfer council's power to one single person. (In this case Kelly) Again from the earlier article: https://www.nowtoronto.com/news/story.cfm?content=196043 Democratically that's huge... If you're going to...

It matters because you're jumping all over the mayor we hate for not declaring an emergency... while at the same time a bunch of mayors we don't hate (even like) have presided over very serious events/weather disasters/power outages and also NOT DECLARED AN EMERGENCY. The reason? It doesn't...

http://toronto.ctvnews.ca/toronto-manager-says-not-currently-necessary-to-declare-state-of-emergency-1.1605793 Note the part about Toronto never before declaring an official emergency. Are we going to blame those Mayors as well? Look, I'm not defending Mayor Ford - I think he's a disgusting...

Well what? I didn't say that so top being ridiculous. Your original post was "Lulz at extra reinforcements not changing anything. As if the city didn't bumble through this whole thing." Never did I say that additional resources wouldn't help. What I did say is that those additional resources...

But why does one have to "declare a state of emergency" to do the "more" of which you speak. The two aren't linked. Declaring an emergency doesn't magically help anybody or change anything from my understanding. The lack of "more" might very well be caused by crappy management and a poorly...

Lulz at you quoting something I didn't say.

I think you're missing the point. I completely agree this should have been treated with the utmost urgency - all the reinforcements we could get etc. etc. Everything you just said. But from everything I've read now that has NOTHING to do with "declaring an emergency". If you think the response...

Agreed. But what does declaring an emergency actually do? By virtually every account right now - nothing.

I'm starting to agree with you on this. I utterly despise Ford and virtually everybody that still supports him. But I'm not sure that harping on the "He didn't declare an emergency so he's an awful, incompetent Mayor!!!" is really very useful. Particularly now that consensus seems to be it would...

No he's not... he never does. Rob Ford is our never ending fiasco.

For what it's worth hydro IS included in the rent where I live (a large high rise). Not metered separately. I think the other discrepancy between "customer" and "people" is that each household only has one customer regardless of inhabitants. So a family of four in a house is one customer but...

I don't think it was quite like that. I think it was more along the lines of "Do you think Mayor Ford is still qualified to be mayor and beyond that what are your comments on the situation? We'll publish any comments or lack thereof". Personally I think it was stupid and I wish they hadn't done...

Pretty sure he's referring to the court case(s) regarding the release of the ITO(s).

One of the interesting things I noticed on that Facebook group is that some of those people were alluding to the email spat between Gawker's Tom Socca and The Toronto Star's John Cruickshank. I saw various people essentially claiming that it's "proof" the Toronto Star was "out to get" the Mayor...

Indeed. Regardless of what he's linked to there will always be some roundabout loopy argument to explain why it isn't so bad. If that fails just deny, deny, deny and then start shouting obscenities. Seriously if you ever want to get flamed just go on twitter, find an angry Ford supporter...