So what's the recent Sheppard Subway report say with regards to routing options, costing, ridership, mobility, growth? Has there been a report, or are we still cloak and dagger Metrolinx-PC party hush hush? Sheppard extension has been little more than a vague line on a map for quite awhile now.

So convoluted but neat. I've always imagined a situation if a condo were to be obliterated how the compensation would work. I guess just a square foot of the land divided by the number of units. That's why I asked because I thought it hadn't. TYSSE seemed to go under single owner industrial and...

Here's an interesting one for legalese people. I get obtaining subsurface property rights form a single owner when tunneling below a residence. But how does that work with a multi-unit building with individual owners (i.e. a condo). Seems like a new one for this city.

Therein lies the issue with political parties "uploading" major transit planning. They're not showing their work. Is McCowan/Sheppard the prime terminus? What's the ridership and costing for different routings/termini? Why ignore Mobility Hubs, Urban Growth Centres and bypass a Scarb's downtown...

Possibly. But I think it was neither. If I was following the discussion I believe the 25km was more a reference to a future, unexplored subway alternative in lieu of a Sheppard extension. As in: 10ish km of heavy subway extension or 20ish km of lighter subway. The follow-up reply to this was...

This is from 1969. There may be some from earlier, but basically the concept continues through the 70s and into the 80s. Eglinton appears sometimes. That would give about 25km.

Something like that is the last type of train we'd want. It's lower capacity per sf, it's heavier per sf, and it's not the type of train to use for a subway/metro line. They're meant for being in the street, which although a great mode, isn't really what's being discussed. Where OL still has...

I haven't seen evidence that an extension of Line 4 from Don Mills to McCowan is cheaper than a different subway option. On the contrary. A light metro across Scarbo was the OG. It goes back to the 60s! Then carries on for two more decades. There are dozens of maps that show this.

Is that the path of least resistance tho? I'd say the resistor is money, as it always is. And for a project like this it requires a heckuva lot of it. YNSE is the highest per km project cost not just in the GTA, but likely the world. Extending Sheppard, whenever that happens since it's unfunded...

Pretty much anyone with half a brain knows Line 4 was obscenely overbuilt. Extending it as such is a continuation of this gross misuse of funds. And that is the reason it's not being extended. Having a conversation and presentation of different options is the mature thing to do. And there are...

Have you actually been on Line 1? I'm serious. It's pretty obvious the narrow disjointed egresses south of Bloor even at revamped stations will not allow the line to carry and maintain anything close to 60k pphpd. Why give a useless comparison? Oh yeah these are probably the first high-level...

Sorry out of the loop. What's this VE for Area 1? Isn't that what's been happening for over 10yrs now? Not tongue in cheek, I still believe there are ways to lower the costs, or at least keep costs neutral with better bang. Basically anything that doesn't require full scale loop rebuild.

It's getting pretty close. From Ossington 85-100% full.

No bro look at the graph. It's s/b w/b AM peak. A few new condos in LV wouldn't account for those alightings (unless there's somehow a lot of night shift workers going home). If this model was for mid-summerish what could account for that volume is all the events in and around the EX. Definitely...

The large number of alightings at Exhibition is somewhat surprising. Where are they all going? If it's to use w/b GO then one wonders if GO instead had LSE/LSW as a single through service, would OL see more alightings at East Harbour instead.

I remember clearly when it speculated YR will want to extend Line 1 both sides you had fits yelling about how YR would never do such a thing because they're planning the highest level of BRT. Then when it was pointed out they do want extensions then it's 'oh well nothing to see here it's not a...

Another subway line through downtown would be such a tall order on every level (or just political and money level). I tend to be reserved and think the best case scenario would be a short stretch of tunneled LRT just for the core, outside there a mix of on-street and in-median.

Probably shouldn't be discounted in such a discussion, but post-glacial/isostatic rebound. Basically everywhere around Hudson Bay moves upwards at rates approaching 2cm/yr, not seen anywhere else in the world. Even Antarctica. Water courses alter, earthquakes, mass land movement. I'm very open...

Yet the Prov effectively asked to be F'd when they catered to them to such an extent. So kinda the opposite. And seems as though the same thumb monkeys crying about how the RL was too deep and expensive will post in the YNSE thread about how going under rivers costs nothing, going 20m deeper...

It's not even just the ped-auto aspect for me. Adding pedestrian tunnels also adds to the upfront cost/complexity, then forever a place that has to be cleaned and monitored, then locked at night. I picture them and already see flickering fluorescent and dirty slush over broken terazzo. Kitty...