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  1. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    You are absolutely right. However I haven't seen any valuable argument or presented fact why Porter should be allowed to use City Airport instead of Pearson Airport for its jets. This is the main question and rest is just noise. We can spent millions of dollars on environmental impact studies...
  2. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    Exactly. This is the proper way to do it. There were other things Toronto Port Authority and its unelected officials could have done in a more proper fashion: 1. Use anchored buoys and chains to secure Marine Exclusion Zone instead of undertaking much more expensive and environmentally...
  3. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    Please don't show this to Rob Ford or TPA. I'm serious, recently TPA was trying to establish its own private armed forces (so they can easily shoot down striking Porter workers and whining residents probably), sharks seem more innocent next to it...
  4. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    According to 2011 Annual Report Pearson Airport paid $130m for ground lease and paid $27m for payments-in-lieu of real property taxes. As per tripartite agreement ground lease of Billy Bishop airport is $1 and TPA refuses to pay payments-in-lieu of real property taxes. Their current debt is...
  5. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    Why, because they didn't drop their trousers and bend over to a private company quick enough? In 2003 it was exactly opposite. TPA and its unelected public officials completely ignored the choice of the elected representatives and Torontonians. What happened? Taxpayers are spending $500m...
  6. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    I haven't seen a report but I would believe that. There was a significant shift from coal to nuclear in last 10 years. But I'm not talking about that, I'm talking about the area around the city airport. May be we can convince TPA or city to install permanent air quality and noise monitors in the...
  7. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    Probably they didn't tell you but land rush is over, you may stop chewing tobacco and leave your shotgun down, this is 21st century and there is a new concept called urban planning. It is a very weird concept talks about people, environment, sustainability, that kind of crab. It is not me saying...
  8. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    Peepers, I think problem is increased number of flights. I live close to Bay & Yonge but even here sometimes I get sick of hearing constant engine run-ups or reverse throttles (or whatever it is called). It is mostly disturbing early in the mornings and late evenings. This was not like that...
  9. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    Peepers, technically I agree with you and I invite you to harbourfront to listen how "whisper quiet" those landings, take-offs and engine run ups. This is reality, not another study or PR crab. Would you live in one of the residences at Bathurst - Queens Quay? Probably not; because it is...
  10. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    According to a letter from Mr. Deluce to Mr. Ford, runway extension includes 150m safety zone: "Approval for a 168 metre extension into the water at each end of the main runway 08/26. The runway extension would not require any change to the existing marine exclusion zone in place today. The...
  11. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    Please note that as per letter, Transport Canada is still considering making amendments to the current safety regulations. Therefore I don't see any reason why Porter should include this "possible" additional 150m safety zone into their 168m extension request. Once they get the approval for...
  12. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    TPA and Porter are working from both ends. Please see item 6 on TPA's letter to Mr. Ford: Linky: http://www.torontoport.com/getattachment/d9ef7d17-5487-4737-b240-38c970eaccec/Letter-to-Mayor-Rob-Ford-(1).aspx So my guess is total expansion of the runway will be 168m as per Porter's plan + 150m...
  13. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    Well, according to a letter issued by dear TPA to dear Mr. Ford, it is parkland, and of course TPA wants to change it. (Item 5) Linky: http://www.torontoport.com/getattachment/d9ef7d17-5487-4737-b240-38c970eaccec/Letter-to-Mayor-Rob-Ford-(1).aspx Notice the date of the letter: February 13...
  14. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    Well, if you look more carefully you will notice more interesting things, like there is no island or airport too. You are looking at wrong direction. But I agree with you about condos, waterfront should belong to all Torontonians.
  15. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    I don't think Pearson is any worse than any other airport. If you cannot walk you can get assistance though.
  16. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    Street cars are cute, but I think there won't be too many people using 509 to reach the airport. It was already over crowded before they shut it down and not reliable at all. Especially if you have a luggage, forget about it. I generally walk to the airport or ask a friend to drive me.
  17. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    Let's say I'm biased and let's call that piece of land which airport sits on anything you want. Are they paying their taxes? Your first and second posts were completely different in their context. While I found "how about turning much of Algonquin Island into condos" sarcastic, now you...
  18. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    Its irrelevant. Lets call it lakefill, island, artificial island, rock the on water. Are they paying taxes? Again irrelevant. I'm questioning economics of having a second airport in downtown. Sorry if I just missed your sarcasm.
  19. Cinnamon

    Toronto Billy Bishop Toronto City Airport | ?m | ?s | Ports Toronto | Arup

    No. It may make sense, especially after commissioning of Union - Pearson Express. We have to look at economics. Then I will help bulldozing it and we can play frisbee there. Seriously, it is a joke. Even for Union - Pearson Express we are going with diesel trains. I wonder why not steam? At...

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