The points are one in the same. Sheesh.... my "Not too bright" statement stands. I will break it down into one syllable words if necessary. And here I ended up arguing with a 13 year old after all. Silly me. I am done.

See now that's a start and I completely love the imagery invoked by the smoke and building from it, but it doesn't finish the thought. So what do all the melting walls and disjointed levels mean?

Here, I will play devil's advocate to my own viewpoint and give a fictional example of why I like this building: In your own words (not something regurgitated from an architectural magazine about Gehry) ,please, explain why you appreciate this design aesthetic other than "it looks cool" and...

You are not the brightest if you don't get Lansdude's point and how it correlates to my opinion of Gehry. Fanboys like this because everyone else does. As in no one wants to be the one who says they don't see the emperor's clothes because only the elite and intelligent people can see them...

BINGO! Someone who gets it. It doesn't mean you agree with me, but at least you understand the point I am making. The architect has no clothes!!! He is NAKED!!!!!! Perfect statement... could not be expressed any better. Everything I was trying to say boiled down to one sentence. Thank You

If for one second, I thought that Gehry's intentions were to hold a mirror up to the general public and make them question their Hyper-consumerism, their fruitless attempt to attain material goods and the eventual crumbling of ALL civilizations, then I would be all over this design aesthetic...

Perfect! I would then ask that all supporters of this style offer their interpretation of what crumbling, melting buildings means to them and how it speaks to them artistically and personally. With no hint of sarcasm, this would be very interesting.

Completely true. Art for art's sake is fine in a museum when you want to make your viewers think or re-evaluate their priorities. I give you Chris Ofili, Holy Virgin Mary 1996. An image of the Virgin Mary made from feces. It makes you think. But I don't want a skyscraper made of shit in my...

Laughable coming from you 3Demented! ----------- The difference is I don't need everyone else to hate it to justify my dislike for it. I just know I don't like it and I am secure in that preference even if I am the only one... Whereas most defenders of something like this need to convince...

I meant painful as in I groaned when you brought it up because it was so ridiculous an analogy. If a giant pile of smoking, twisted metal and crumpled concrete is beautiful just for its own sake, then I defy you to put a giant pile on your front lawn and making no reference to 911, expect your...

You are grasping at straws. Ancient ruins are beautiful NOT because they are ruined, but because of what they once represented. The marvel of the complex construction in an early age of man's development is the achievement, NOT that they decayed since then. The beautiful lines, proportion...

Beauty is in the eye of the beholder It is a great truism, but only useful if each beholder asks of themselves. Why is it beautiful to me? If your only answer is "Because it's so cool how the walls undulate and it's amazing how they do that" then I have made my point.

Because the original was revolutionary AND beautiful in it's simplicity. A colour reproduction of a Rembrandt is still a beautiful image. It's value may be less but the beauty is still apparent. You're still not getting it. There is NO inherent beauty in CRUMPLED. NO crumpled building is...

Looking like and acting like are VERY different things. Exactly! Genius is almost always one dimensional. George Lucas and Star Wars is a good example.... Star Wars was ground breaking, even genius and every sequel after re-hashed themes and imagery until the point of repetition and poor quality.

And my response to someone who said these buildings must be good because other people praise Gehry and give him awards: Oh, other people like it, so it must be good... My mistake. He is also a repetitive hack, a one-trick pony, constantly re-hashing the same theme until he gets it right...

I'll repost my clarification I posted on the front page story: OK, let me make this really simple to understand: Just being cool is not enough. Good architecture needs to be beautiful too. It must ADD to it's surroundings or even elevate them to a new level. Yes, it is really cool that these...

To answer your question... Yes But that is another windmill that I will tilt at another day. :)

Wow, this dog's breakfast just got worse!.... Allow me to explain: Gehry's appeal to the "fan-boy, teenager, gee-wow how did they do that, that's so cool, neat-o, far-out, sick, wicked!" mentality speaks to the unsophisticated nature of his design aesthetic. LET ME BE CLEAR: The design...

I find the opposite can be true of some lofts. The law of diminishing returns, so to speak. When the ceiling is actually nearly as high or higher than the dimension of the room, the floor space seems rather small.

Actually.... It will be the tallest hotel in Toronto. All the other's including Trump (Four Seasons, Shangri La, Ritz Carlton) are mixed-use and not ALL hotel. Their Condo portions give them the height. :) But we all know what you meant.