maestro
Senior Member
A single story retail store pays for itself in no time. It wouldn't be much of an improvement over the proposal. My guess is we'll see something larger built here in due time.
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Yes, definitely something larger than a one storey plaza. I was thinking a two storey retail plaza with 8-12 floors of residential on top.
Update of the city's blog from Dec 15
http://www.calgarycitynews.com/2017/12/green-line-lrt-all-aboard.html?m=1
Looks like the city is still tweaking some of the details and taking suggestions from the public.
We’re refining the design of the Green Line and want your input on safety and security, aesthetics and landscaping, and access to stations. From January to March 2018, we’ll be hosting sessions and online opportunities where you can provide feedback on how the LRT will look and feel in your community. Input collected from the public will be reflected in the technical documents that will guide the construction of the Green Line.
http://www.calgarycitynews.com/2017/12/green-line-lrt-all-aboard.html?m=1
Looks like the city is still tweaking some of the details and taking suggestions from the public.
We’re refining the design of the Green Line and want your input on safety and security, aesthetics and landscaping, and access to stations. From January to March 2018, we’ll be hosting sessions and online opportunities where you can provide feedback on how the LRT will look and feel in your community. Input collected from the public will be reflected in the technical documents that will guide the construction of the Green Line.
Beltline_B
Senior Member
Sorry for the newbie question, but does anyone know when the actual construction starts on the green line? I’ve googled it but a there’s all kinds of different information out there.
UrbanWarrior
Senior Member
Technically construction has already started, but it's more like geotechnical work right now. I believe hard construction of the line is slated to begin in late 2019.
AJX
Active Member
I was confused too. I heard them say on the radio a while back that construction had started. I thought it was full on construction.
Beltline_B
Senior Member
I noticed on SSP there is some debate on whether low floor vehicles are better than the ones used on the Blue and Red Line. Thoughts?
darwink
Senior Member
More expensive for the vehicles. But less infrastructure needed for regular everyday stations. Moving most equipment to the roof is already similar to the new "Mask" LRVs.
evolv
New Member
Not being able to integrate cars with the red and blue lines is an issue.
I would have preferred the same cars as the other lines so as to keep the consistency as well.
IMO, most of the green line will be similar to the other lines and be grade separated so low floor LRV's aren't necessarily needed. Low floor cars might possibly be better along Centre Street up until 78th... I dunno.
I've used low floor trains before and while it makes for an easy build for a stop, it also has a few quirks. The cars themselves are a bit awkward when getting on with a stroller, or suitcase, as the low floor isn't level to the outside like it is with a high floor train/station. In cases like Melbourne it was level in some areas where stations were built having an 8" height adjustment similar to a curb, but un-level in other areas where they didn't do it. If you're going to go through the trouble of making an 8" high platform, you're halfway to building a Sunnyside type station.
Also the cars I was in, had two different levels of floor inside the car itself, which made it again awkward for people with strollers, suitcases or even bikes.
If it was for a 'streetcar' line I would be all for the low floor vehicle, but as a mostly grade separated line, I'm not so sure.
IMO, most of the green line will be similar to the other lines and be grade separated so low floor LRV's aren't necessarily needed. Low floor cars might possibly be better along Centre Street up until 78th... I dunno.
I've used low floor trains before and while it makes for an easy build for a stop, it also has a few quirks. The cars themselves are a bit awkward when getting on with a stroller, or suitcase, as the low floor isn't level to the outside like it is with a high floor train/station. In cases like Melbourne it was level in some areas where stations were built having an 8" height adjustment similar to a curb, but un-level in other areas where they didn't do it. If you're going to go through the trouble of making an 8" high platform, you're halfway to building a Sunnyside type station.
Also the cars I was in, had two different levels of floor inside the car itself, which made it again awkward for people with strollers, suitcases or even bikes.
If it was for a 'streetcar' line I would be all for the low floor vehicle, but as a mostly grade separated line, I'm not so sure.
Beltline_B
Senior Member
I’ve had no experience Low Floor Vehicles and cant really comment but I always thought staying consistent with the vehicles for all three lines might be advantageous.
Operater
Active Member
Hi Group,
I have to Admit that I am in Favour of Trains that are Similar to what Calgary is Getting now but will go with the Low Floor Cars on the Green Line. Cost Wise I saw some Ideas of the Line Going UP Hill and through D T. Felt it was a Cheaper Alternate Cost Wise as Well. (My Views Only) Somehow I Feel the Tunnel Part is an An Expensive Choice to Make for the Money to B Spent.What Happens is Anyone;s Guess Really, I Feel there is LOTS of Room for Improvement, I Notice that what ever Edmonton Does We Follow as Well. The Only thing We Didn't Do was Overhaul and Rebuild Our 1st Generation L R T Cars like Edmonton. Will B most Interested to See how it all turns Out,
Tnx
Operater.
I have to Admit that I am in Favour of Trains that are Similar to what Calgary is Getting now but will go with the Low Floor Cars on the Green Line. Cost Wise I saw some Ideas of the Line Going UP Hill and through D T. Felt it was a Cheaper Alternate Cost Wise as Well. (My Views Only) Somehow I Feel the Tunnel Part is an An Expensive Choice to Make for the Money to B Spent.What Happens is Anyone;s Guess Really, I Feel there is LOTS of Room for Improvement, I Notice that what ever Edmonton Does We Follow as Well. The Only thing We Didn't Do was Overhaul and Rebuild Our 1st Generation L R T Cars like Edmonton. Will B most Interested to See how it all turns Out,
Tnx
Operater.
hollahollaholla
New Member
I've rode the tram in Montpellier France and once you're outside of the city centre there is no difference. They went about 80kmh on their own dedicated tracks. I feel like low floor is a better way to integrate with the surrounding environment like a dense city centre but if the train is underground the only benefit I can see is cost to build stations.
Operater
Active Member
Hi All,
Top Speed for Most L R T Systems Averages to 80 KPH, 100 at the Very Most. For the Green Line on Centre St North It will B interesting to See what the Average Speed on the P R W will B. Can.t B Very High with all the Traffic Lights unless the Lights/Intersections are Geared in Favour of Trains,
Tnx,
Operater,
Top Speed for Most L R T Systems Averages to 80 KPH, 100 at the Very Most. For the Green Line on Centre St North It will B interesting to See what the Average Speed on the P R W will B. Can.t B Very High with all the Traffic Lights unless the Lights/Intersections are Geared in Favour of Trains,
Tnx,
Operater,
darwink
Senior Member
The amount of your car that is low floor depends on how much your willing to pay for, as bogies that cross the car are way easier to make. 100% low floor exists of course, but it does bind you to a floor layout that doesn’t flow as well as the new high floor LRVs.
As for interoperability - there will be enough cars on each system that I don’t think it matters. Each has its own heavy maintenance space. If this ends up as a full P3 (likely) you wouldn’t be swapping any services between the lines anyways.
As for interoperability - there will be enough cars on each system that I don’t think it matters. Each has its own heavy maintenance space. If this ends up as a full P3 (likely) you wouldn’t be swapping any services between the lines anyways.