Go Elevated or try for Underground?

  • Work with the province and go with the Elevated option

    Votes: 8 72.7%

  • Try another approach and go for Underground option

    Votes: 2 18.2%

  • Cancel it altogether

    Votes: 1 9.1%
  • Total voters
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Any expectations on rolling stock? I've heard Siemens is bidding, hopefully, YYC chooses them over Bombardier. Beyond the multiple missed deadlines for Toronto the LRV's from them also only have 3 sets of doors (two single and two double) while the Siemens offering has 4, important for running fast service.
 
Reecemartin said:
Any expectations on rolling stock? I've heard Siemens is bidding, hopefully, YYC chooses them over Bombardier. Beyond the multiple missed deadlines for Toronto the LRV's from them also only have 3 sets of doors (two single and two double) while the Siemens offering has 4, important for running fast service.
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Bombardier and Siemens of course, then Alstom, CAF. Maybe a wild card like Mitsubishi, Kinki Sharyo (they built Seattle and others rolling stock) or China's CRRC.
 
Was in Waterloo this past week where their ION system will be opening soon (Canada's 3rd proper light rail system to open if it beats Ottawa). The system overall is nice, but I think the grade crossings Calgary is avoiding with the Green Line are smart to remove . . .https://youtu.be/3Hk34WAchd8
 
Reecemartin said:
Was in Waterloo this past week where their ION system will be opening soon (Canada's 3rd proper light rail system to open if it beats Ottawa). The system overall is nice, but I think the grade crossings Calgary is avoiding with the Green Line are smart to remove . . .https://youtu.be/3Hk34WAchd8
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It is nice. Folks will probably compare it to toronto’s Streetcars with ROW: St Claire, Spadina, Waterfront, etc. Hopefully it connects well with GO and VIA. Good for KW.
 
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So now that this is officially funded, I think it can go to tender, right? Does anyone know the timeline for that process, and when the winning bid will be revealed?
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Latest update is that the RFQ will be issued in “Q2 2019”.

Note that in the March 2018 report to council, the project team said that they needed to issue RFQ by October 2018, RFP by February 2019, and contract award by April 2020 to meet the project schedule of 2020 construction start and 2026 revenue service. So they are already 6-8 months behind.
 
I like option 3 best.
 
UrbanWarrior said:
I like option 3 best.
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I would assume that Phase 2 will go North - either option 1 or a shorter North-only extension for political reasons, regardless of the relative merits of the options.

Shepard was an awkward choice for an initial southern terminus ridership-wise, but it had to be done to access the maintenance yard. The McKenzie Towne and Auburn Bay segments are really good value for money because of that — most of the low ridership high cost southern segments are already in Phase 1. But I still would guess that the North councilors will have a better argument that they got the short end of the stick in phase 1 and deserve more in phase 2.
 
Some maps I've found that might show one of the reasons for the north segment's costs going up, as it is normal practice to not run utilities under rail, except for perpendicular crossings. The freshwater pipe under centre street is more than a meter wide under the street. :
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A major (AER regulated) natural gas line at Centre just south of the bus trap complicates things in a pinch point (I suspect the shape file doesn't show the exact location, just the general one:
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Add in sewer and storm water on top of that...

For storm water, there is an outfall into the creek between the Centre St Bridges, that I suspect comes from a line running Centre Street:
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Which if it drains things in the watershed that flow towards it, and the storm sewers parallel that huge main are indicative of the outflaws watershed, may mean that outfall drains a fair portion of the NE Nosehill runoff, let alone the neighbourhoods (the blue line in this map is the division between watersheds)
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With a split roughly here, with land south/east of roughly the red line draining to that outfall (I don't see any evidence of another outfall sharing the work in the area):
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Adds up to Big $$$
 
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I think that is the part of the Green Line that already has its right of way reserved... is it not?


Just checked, yes it is. North of Beddington Trail, there is a large ROW in the centre of Centre Street, and between 4 Street and Beddington, there are large boulevards that can be used to expand the road to allow for the laying of tracks. Won't be a big deal cause of the watermain I don't think.
 
North of 64th and south of Beddington Trail there is a significant pinch point, where the roads goes down to two lanes. They will have to take out a full row of houses, and rejig all the utilities in the area.
 
darwink said:
North of 64th and south of Beddington Trail there is a significant pinch point, where the roads goes down to two lanes. They will have to take out a full row of houses, and rejig all the utilities in the area.
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Ohh right, the area between Beddington Drive and Beddington Trail. Well thankfully that stretch is only 300 meters long, and the acquisition of that land could be a good opportunity for some TOD, especially since it is adjacent to a relatively significant retail node already, which will also likely be redeveloped into a mixed use highrise area in the coming decades.
 
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