[darwink]

So is the inverted bowl design back in play?

They’d have to shrink the seat count to do so. So unlikely.

 

[Tothewest]

So is the inverted bowl design back in play?

The design spec, for everyone's benefit...

It's been around for atleast a decade, and nobody has bit on it. While it saves space from a construction standpoint, it really is a horrible fan/arena operation design. You can't properly program that many levels with F&B/cooking/bathrooms/ect, fans are displaced from other fans which hurts atmosphere, there can be no hanging scoreboard because it impacts line of sight, and you're forcing fans to look straight down through glass which is a very bizarre vantage point for a concert, and highly subjective for a sports fan. It works for a club/loge bridge for 400 people...not for general capacity in the 3000 range

Im also not convinced it saves THAT much money, what with the cost to cantilever those levels

 

[Urb]

They are no longer entertaining the inverted bowl design, but the concourses are much bigger than what we saw in the old proposal. I am very optimistic this time around. The budget is where it needs to be to deliver something suitable.

 

[Mountain Man]

The inside of the building should be really good, I just hope it doesn't look like a Cineplex or something unremarkable.

 

[darwink]

You can see how Little Ceasars is getting close to that concept without going inverted. I think with the larger footprint, there is less need for compromises. With a larger footprint, it is easy to place items more optimally, like all the utility/backup equipment. It is sad really, a bit more flexibility on the original deal land wise, and we'd be close to done. That being said, I heard the land side of the current deal was sprung somewhat unexpectedly on the Stampede.

 

[Albertasaurus]

They are no longer entertaining the inverted bowl design, but the concourses are much bigger than what we saw in the old proposal. I am very optimistic this time around. The budget is where it needs to be to deliver something suitable.

That's good to hear, it's making me feel better about the much higher cost of this proposal. I'd rather we do it right than end up with a mediocre or even substandard facility.

 

[ByeByeBaby]

Everytime I hear about the inverted bowl design, this springs to mind...

Now that's an efficent use of space to pack in fans!

 

[Tothewest]

You can see how Little Ceasars is getting close to that concept without going inverted. I think with the larger footprint, there is less need for compromises. With a larger footprint, it is easy to place items more optimally, like all the utility/backup equipment. It is sad really, a bit more flexibility on the original deal land wise, and we'd be close to done. That being said, I heard the land side of the current deal was sprung somewhat unexpectedly on the Stampede.

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It really is a beautiful arena design. Intimate, has a sense of place, large lower bowl, suite level, stacked 2 layer upper bowl (Everything that soulless, expansive thing in edmonton isnt). It's a tad big on the capacity at 19,500, i would remove the upper bowl end seats and put in a large bar with standing room spaces

 

[konradiical]

the new arena will be very similar to little caesars, but im starting to get impatient one when they will show the renders publicly. Even the coyotes have renders for an arena on land they haven't even bought yet lo

 

[darwink]

Even the coyotes have renders for an arena on land they haven't even bought yet lo

oh, to have a relatively unconstrained site with no need to relate to its surroundings

 

[Tothewest]

the new arena will be very similar to little caesars, but im starting to get impatient one when they will show the renders publicly. Even the coyotes have renders for an arena on land they haven't even bought yet lo

those are conceptual designs, huge difference. Construction wont start until fall, permitting in Summer, we may see something May/June...rmbr they're basically starting from scratch

 

[DiscoStu]

Take all the time you need to get it right. We've waited two decades, we can wait for a few more months.

But...if they just copy/pasted Little Caesars, I'd be pretty happy with that too. The more I see it, the more I like it.

 

[haltcatchfire]

I just want a cohesive exterior building design. One building, one concept.

Not a warehouse with three different boring facade ideas slapped up on the outside four faces.

I should know what it is no matter which direction I’m approaching from, and I should get the sense that it was $800M to build it.

I’ll sit in any seat, in any arena, and watch the Flames and be content but if I had to walk up to that previous design, I’d seriously be put in a bad mood well before the team had taken a loss against the Oilers.

This post was written with the perspective that my needs are the only that matter here.

 

[Albertasaurus]

So with regard to rumoured similarities with Little Caesars, I wonder does that include the "deconstructed" layout? I hope so...

 

[ShotArch]

those are conceptual designs, huge difference. Construction wont start until fall, permitting in Summer, we may see something May/June...rmbr they're basically starting from scratch

Even the 2019 edition of the building had concept art released the same year the paperwork was signed. I know they looked nothing like the final design (unfortunately), but hey, it was something satiate our desires.