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Cowtown said:
With empty lots all with proposals in action, 17th ave is hot indeed.
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It's high time for a streetcar or bike lanes to be added to the street.

17th Ave is frequently congested as in. All this development will only make it worse.

We ought to invest into transit solutions that actually move people efficiently.
 
A on street streetcar will create more congestion. Stopping the flow of traffic for one person to board or disembark at every stop is not more efficient. The same goes for bike lanes. They have to be used at all hours and all weather conditions to be more efficient. A monorail or underground cycle track will add capacity no matter what.
 
maestro said:
A on street streetcar will create more congestion. Stopping the flow of traffic for one person to board or disembark at every stop is not more efficient. The same goes for bike lanes. They have to be used at all hours and all weather conditions to be more efficient. A monorail or underground cycle track will add capacity no matter what.
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You're assuming that car demand would remain consistent. As our transit improves, the number of people reliant on cars decreases.
 
Woosh said:
You're assuming that car demand would remain consistent. As our transit improves, the number of people reliant on cars decreases.
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The population isn't static either. There's more units and more parking spaces added every year. You can have more cars as well as the percentage of people reliant on cars decreasing. Toronto is a traffic clusterfuck because that idea is lost on the powers that be. 17th is an ideal candidate for a cycle track but, a streetcar in mixed traffic runs as fast as the traffic ahead of it. There no opportunity to change lanes around an obstacle either. Roads are finite. The population is not. All new downtown transit should have it's own grade separate routes as I don't think converting 17th, for example, to a transit/ pedestrian corridor is a possibility. If it is a possibility than it will just redirect the current and future traffic levels to surrounding neighbourhood streets.

Copenhagen and Amsterdam didn't rush to become two of the most bike friendly cities on the planet like we seem to be doing in Canada. They spent decades building up initiatives. Their built environment and climate is now more conducive to a greater demographic commuting by bike. Moderate residential densities over a wide area with employment spaces mixed throughout.

First is for Calgary to set a minimum of more than one bicycle parking space per unit in the Beltline if they haven't done so already. I doubt it looking at DPs. Like i said, cycle tracks or streetcars that are lightly used are just statistics to compete against other cities. They don't matter beyond that.
 
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