_Citizen_Dane_
Active Member
I'm surprised to see no one's mentioned this yet, but the project was rejected by City Council;
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Kaizen
Senior Member
I know, I guess I'm not surprised with the push back but really disappointed with the outcome. I am really disappointed, but hope Beljan counters with another offering if possible.
I hope it's not dead. I can't believe this city, what am I missing with this deal ,what was wrong, progress?
I'm sharpening my pitchfork(s) to protest the next push for sprawl past Henday though, this city sometimes makes me wish I was a Calgarytopian. OK, cancel that !
I hope it's not dead. I can't believe this city, what am I missing with this deal ,what was wrong, progress?
I'm sharpening my pitchfork(s) to protest the next push for sprawl past Henday though, this city sometimes makes me wish I was a Calgarytopian. OK, cancel that !
Doesn't look like a whole lot of 'families' in chambers.
Screams nimbyism and the negative attention to renters reinforces this. I'm surprised Council rejected this - the article doesn't really showcase why it was rejected, but focuses in on the rental argument a lot.
Edmontonian
Active Member
I wish they would build more buildings similar to this, not shoot down the ones that come up.
thommyjo
Senior Member
Man, sad I just moved into this neighbourhood. This is 2 blocks from my house. I would be such a big supporter of more projects like this. Especially with the west lrt sherwood stop 3 blocks west of here and the new bus routes prioritizing 95th ave as a main artery. 1 or 2 ground floor retail bays would be incredible here. And so many of the corner lots are trashy. Run down and abandoned houses. The traffic around here is minimal too, so we could handle the density increase easily.
@cmd who i think is at beljan? If you guys propose something here again and need community support, let me know. A bunch of my friends and I in our 20s have bought here recently and can speak up in support instead of it being all the nimby old timers who want the same boring neighborhoods they've had for 40 years.
@cmd who i think is at beljan? If you guys propose something here again and need community support, let me know. A bunch of my friends and I in our 20s have bought here recently and can speak up in support instead of it being all the nimby old timers who want the same boring neighborhoods they've had for 40 years.
EtoV
Active Member
I can't believe we still need to debate and fight for buildings like this. A four story building that brings commercial spaces and new residents to the neighbourhood? That should be allowed along every arterial in the city, no debate needed. This is why cities struggle to build missing middle housing, communities fight back against gradual density so developers are forced to only build massive towers downtown, instead of more human scaled developments that some may prefer.
TAS
Senior Member
According to this video on the missing middle, Edmonton has 69% of it's residential land designated for single family housing. Montreal was the lowest of major Canadian cities at 46%.
strata
Active Member
I do not believe Beljan was the owner here, just advancing the rezoning on behalf of another landowner
Avenuer
Senior Member
But, the former TOWN of Jasper Place needs to retain that historic character - old timer residents that remember when Jasper Place only had gravel roads and evening shopping.
archited
Senior Member
...and no sidewalks. Hell, I remember when Delton (where I grew from seedling to sapling) had gravel roads, door-to-door milkmen and breadmen and, from where I grew up, was only two blocks from a street-car. I had a 25-cent/week allowance and it got me into the Avenue theatre and supplied me with a coke plus a bag of popcorn on Matinee Saturdays where we had two feature films, half-a-dozen cartoon shorts, a newsreel and a raucous load of fun. Those were the days of door-to-door encyclopedia salesmen, "Avon Calling", and vacuum cleaner hoofers. Our front and back doors were never locked, I rode my bike to school, and we played pick-up baseball and soccer in the street. A little later Bob Dylan said "the times they are a'changin'" and boy was he right!
David A
Senior Member
Its too bad. The building looks very nice in the pictures and 4 stories is reasonable for the location. It could have added a bit of vibrancy to the neighbourhood, but I suppose some people who live their must really want boring lives.
I have noticed that there is a bit of snobbery or elitism of some home owners to those that live in rental accommodation, but I really doubt a nice new building like this would be full of criminals or gasp ... potentially worse than that poor people.
It is a shame some people are so narrow in their views and allow their fears and prejudices overcome common sense.
I have noticed that there is a bit of snobbery or elitism of some home owners to those that live in rental accommodation, but I really doubt a nice new building like this would be full of criminals or gasp ... potentially worse than that poor people.
It is a shame some people are so narrow in their views and allow their fears and prejudices overcome common sense.
thommyjo
Senior Member
Ya, as someone who lives here, many of the houses are rough. Ugly, poorly kept. Its already a 50% rental neighbourhood. So idk what people are concerned about? Here's some pics I took today to show the corner. Accross from it is a school field and a church. Its a perfect location! Ugh.
cmd uw
Active Member
Yes, we were just managing this project on behalf of the landowner. It was too bad that Council didn't think this was an appropriate land use for the area.
Good time to go back to Council - could just mute all the nimbys on Zoom.
Was it basically rejected because of the rental argument and out of scale for the area? Why bother spending money on the LRT if you aren't going to approve developments like this? Short-sighted and downright stupid if you ask me.
thommyjo
Senior Member
So friends. Had a nice walk with one of the guys on the community league last night! Hoping I can join the board soon. Maybe even in primary leadership role as the whole board admits they are old and need some young blood.
We have young friends in the area we want to invite in also.
Enough of the nimbyism and seeing all change as bad. Time for this community to become attractive, family focused, inclusive to smaller dwellings, more walkable and bikeable.
Sadly the community league sounded like all it did was fight proposals. No mention of building community, events, parks, sports. Just "these are the fights ahead."
Wish me luck! Hoping to bring change. This Jasper place neighbourhlld will go through a lot the next 10 years with west LRT and density pressures. Hope we can embrace thoughtful, quality designs and build a vibrant community.
We have young friends in the area we want to invite in also.
Enough of the nimbyism and seeing all change as bad. Time for this community to become attractive, family focused, inclusive to smaller dwellings, more walkable and bikeable.
Sadly the community league sounded like all it did was fight proposals. No mention of building community, events, parks, sports. Just "these are the fights ahead."
Wish me luck! Hoping to bring change. This Jasper place neighbourhlld will go through a lot the next 10 years with west LRT and density pressures. Hope we can embrace thoughtful, quality designs and build a vibrant community.