[Garceyues]

over 3 years of the pit being abandoned and almost 4 years since they broke ground, I really wish the city had tools to make it financially punishing to do this to a neighbourhood.

Is it a matter of tools or political willpower? All they need to do is pass the appropriate legislation through a council vote, no?

 

[TAS]

It's hard to believe, if I remember correctly, that everything was well on it's way with this project with Clarke Builders as contractor and then deep into the excavation Open Sky was feeling bullish? and wanted to increase the number of floors by a few? and then it all went to h e double hockey sticks - unable to come to terms with contractor on extra work. And then new contractor found and apparently things back on track - but not for long before that business relationship fell apart. What a mess from Open Sky - if they still exist.

 

[Gus Haynes]

A true disasterclass.

 

[David A]

It was for sale earlier this year.

https://invest.jll.com/ca/en/listings/land/the-jameson-development-lands

It realize it was, perhaps they are as ambivalent or incompetent in selling it as they are in developing it.

 

[Vacs]

That pit is going to be a hard sell.

The shoring has an expire date even if it’s monitored. It’s more than expired now.

The only way to do this project now is fill the hole and start over. Not cheap so will have to be factored into the sale price of the land

 

[positive1]

That pit is going to be a hard sell.

The shoring has an expire date even if it’s monitored. It’s more than expired now.

The only way to do this project now is fill the hole and start over. Not cheap so will have to be factored into the sale price of the land

Out of interest, what is the expiry period for shoring? Is it a 2 year warranty or that sort of thing? I'm just interested to know what standards that's from or would it be part of a Contract?

 

[northlands]

Is there really a path forward for this site that doesn't include judicial sale?

 

[David A]

Is there really a path forward for this site that doesn't include judicial sale?

I hope not, both for the owners and the area. If you can't move ahead, stubbornly refusing to take your losses and move on likely just prolongs the problem and makes it worse.

 

[Avenuer]

Last I heard, Open Sky is looking at the feasibility of a 6-storey here, now.

lol

 

[Vacs]

Out of interest, what is the expiry period for shoring? Is it a 2 year warranty or that sort of thing? I'm just interested to know what standards that's from or would it be part of a Contract?

It’s part of the engineering

 

[positive1]

It’s part of the engineering

So do they have to fill in the hole now? Is it going to collapse? I still don't understand.

 

[Vacs]

It likely won’t collapse to catastrophic failure but it will likely start sluffing in at some point. Those boards get old and start breaking

There are ways to reengineer and salvage the shoring but the last hole I know of that was like this, it ended up being cheaper to fill it up and start over. Engineers don’t like it because they are taking a massive amount of liability with too many unknowns to reengineer the shoring

 

[positive1]

It likely won’t collapse to catastrophic failure but it will likely start sluffing in at some point. Those boards get old and start breaking

There are ways to reengineer and salvage the shoring but the last hole I know of that was like this, it ended up being cheaper to fill it up and start over. Engineers don’t like it because they are taking a massive amount of liability with too many unknowns to reengineer the shoring

Just out of interest, what was the hole that got filled up? Did they drive in new piles inside the existing ones and then excavate again? I’m thinking that excavation, piling and shoring is going to last for ages.

 

[cmd uw]

Last I heard, Open Sky is looking at the feasibility of a 6-storey here, now.

lol

Yea well good luck with that. You only get so many chances and given how this project has turned out I have zero faith that they could successfully deliver on it. The industry is small and people talk. There are red flags all over that organization. This also shows you that just because you "worked in" real estate development, doesn't necessarily mean you'll be successful when you're on your own.

 

[TAS]

So much potential for more density in the west part of Wihkwentowin - especially this site, the one directly north, as well as 123St and 103Ave where a couple of other larger vacant parcels remain.

There was mention of this project perhaps downsizing to 6 storeys. Any word? For sale sign has been removed for a while. Does Open Sky still own this? Company website no longer exists. How long can this pit remain as is?