Richard White
Senior Member
I wonder if they would replace the National Trade Centre with a new convention centre?
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I wonder if they would replace the National Trade Centre with a new convention centre?
generalcanada
Senior Member
lots of questions. 1 are we tearing down enercare?
why wouldnt we keep the mtcc for smaller events.
With this and the hotel phase 2. were coming to a point we realllly need to think aboutt the future of the ex. like should we either have it we dont. if we dont, we should start planning for housing and other development there
why wouldnt we keep the mtcc for smaller events.
With this and the hotel phase 2. were coming to a point we realllly need to think aboutt the future of the ex. like should we either have it we dont. if we dont, we should start planning for housing and other development there
Richard White
Senior Member
Honestly, the point about the escalators is a good one. The building is a mess to navigate and a new building would solve that.
The only issue I forsee getting rid of MTCC is the parking garage. Removing it would likely mean digging up and re-engineering Roundhouse Park again.
rdaner
Senior Member
Finally! 
Hopefully we get a good firm who can deliver a multi-storied facility on top of the infamous garage.
Hopefully we get a good firm who can deliver a multi-storied facility on top of the infamous garage.
Richard White
Senior Member
Finally!
You can't.
Roundhouse Park is on top of the garage.
rdaner
Senior Member
I was referring to the Ex grounds and the already hated but unbuilt waterfront parking garage.
Amare
Senior Member
At this point, Doug Ford really is in his own fantasy land.
This clown is wasting all of our time, energy, and money. Not one of these things is going to be built in anybody's lifetime, and this myopic fool is parroting delusional non-sense instead of actually fixing the serious deficiencies we have in this province.
I'm tired of hearing this of this guy's daily fantasy delusions.
- Crumbling Health Care and hospitals bursting at the seams- "No problem folks, we're going to make Niagara Falls the Las Vegas North of Canada, it's going to be even better than Las Vegas!"
- Skyrocketing unaffordable housing and lack of housing starts- "Folks dont worry, the spa is coming. We need a grand spa because it will make Ontario a world-class destination!"
- Education system struggling deeply - "Folks, we're going to build the biggest convention centre in North America!"
- Municipalities cant afford to provide services to it's residences "Folks, we're going to build the largest tunnel in the world, it's going to be something that's never been seen before"
This clown is wasting all of our time, energy, and money. Not one of these things is going to be built in anybody's lifetime, and this myopic fool is parroting delusional non-sense instead of actually fixing the serious deficiencies we have in this province.
I'm tired of hearing this of this guy's daily fantasy delusions.
innsertnamehere
Superstar
I mean Ford literally attended the topping off ceremony of a new hospital in Niagara Falls this week. His government has actually spent far more on hospitals than the Liberals did - basically every hospital in the province either has a recently completed expansion, one under construction, or one in planning..
Housing is fully his issue to own though, and same with education.
Not sure where there are major issues with municipalities other than them constantly complaining that they are broke because mayors don't want to use the revenue tools they are presented (property taxes!). That's not the province's fault.
Northern Light
Superstar
This is not accurate.
In the City of Toronto, the following hospitals have not had any major expansions or redevelopments in the last 10 years:
North York General *
Scarborough General
Scarborough Centenary
Sunnybrook *
St.Joes. *
* asterisk is for hospitals with projects announced but which are not only not under construction, but are also not even in the tender process yet.
Wait times are as high or higher than they were when Ford took office.
You can check on these yourself: https://www.ontariohealth.ca/system/reporting/wait-times
While Ford (and most governments invariably claim to be spending record sums on health, this is usually a dubious claim, because it tends to omit inflation and population growth as drivers, and includes no overt factor for the aging baby boom cohort either.
Ontario continues to have fewer PET Scanners than it should be G7/OECD median or better measures, less true, but still the case for MRIs and CTs as well.
Toronto has had next to no Long Term Care beds built under Ford, including, notable Bridgepoint/Sinai, which the Premier himself announced and which he said would be open by 2024 (not tendered, nor under construction)
innsertnamehere
Superstar
I said built, under construction, or planned.
Of your list, the two scarborough hospitals are listed as not planned for expansion - but Scarborough Centenary is planning expansion of it's emergency department. Scarborough General doesn't have anything major going on, but Scarborough is also not really a growing population centre right now either.
Basically every hospital in the province (there are a few outliers I'm sure, I didn't do an extensive list) is either recently expanded, under construction, or is in the process at some level of expansion.
Ontario has a large hole on the healthcare front to dig out of, particularly given the population growth it's dealt with in the last few years, but the PC government is spending far more capital dollars in healthcare than any previous government. We can talk about if it's enough (it's never really "enough"), but it's far larger amounts than in the past.
Northern Light
Superstar
Every government has plans, no government should be allocated credit for something they don't actually deliver or at least begin the real process of delivering. Plans are the cheap part.
Of the full-service (more or less), general hospitals in Toronto, 6 have no ongoing, recently completed, or imminent major expansion. My point was to rebut your 'virtually every hospital' assertion which was too much.
There are only 13 qualifying hospitals, so that's almost 50%
Moreover, Humber River Regional is relatively new and built under the Liberals.
The last major expansion of St. Mikes was approved/funded and started by the Liberals.
The same is true for the work at Michael Garron/East General
The only major hospital expansion in Toronto whose approval, funding and construction happened under the Ford government (to date) is Western.
Even the much hyped new patient care tower at the Birchmount campus of SHN is not yet under construction, and according to someone I literally just spoke with, it will not start this year.
Again, I just established this is not true. If you would like, I can go through every hospital in the Golden Horseshoe........it won't change.
Again, if you don't adjust for inflation and population growth, the claim here is utterly misleading. To assert that claim it needs to be stated as real/constant dollars (year x dollars) per capita.
Is it though?
The McGuinty/Wynne Liberals did deliver Humber River Regional, they also began (didn't finish) the new patient care tower at St. Mikes, delivered the research tower at Sick Kids that was phase 1 of project horizon, they also delivered the completely rebuilt Women's College Hospital, plus the new patient care tower at Etobicoke General, they also began (barely) the new patient care tower for Michael Garron.
In suburbia, it was under the former government that Oakville Trafalger was rebuilt, the Cortellucci Hospital in Vaughan also broke ground during their tenure, as did the major expansion at Markham-Stouffville.
I'm not taking away credit from the Ford govenment for some of the investments they've made, I'm simply dialling back the excess credit you awarded.
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Perhaps we can move along from this tangent which really has no relationship to Exhibition Place..................?
kotsy
Senior Member
Doug Ford’s interest in Exhibition Place for new conference centre blindsides Toronto officials
Exhibition Place officials had been developing a plan for the future of the site when the premier’s comments caught them off-guard.
www.thestar.com
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