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Mississauga enters new phase of city-building

With City Centre now largely built out, costs are rising to meet Toronto average

TERRENCE BELFORD

tbelford@globeandmail.com

October 17, 2008

If you ask anyone in the real estate industry, they'll tell you Mississauga's city centre is unique in Canada. If you want a parallel, they say, look at Los Angeles.

"What sets it apart is that it has its own real downtown now," says George Carras, president of RealNet Canada Inc., which tracks all forms of residential construction in the Greater Toronto Area. "It is like Los Angeles in that it is a suburb that has become almost self-contained."

By that he means not just its own live theatre, its own fine dining eateries and club life but also its own solid core of high-rise condominium communities equal to downtown Toronto. People can now live within easy reach of where they work, party and play.

Its popularity is evident from the statistics. At the end of August Mississauga's city centre - bounded by Burnhamthorpe Road to the north, Mavis Road to the west, Hurontario Street to the east and Central Parkway to the south - tied for second spot with downtown east as the busiest submarket for condo sales.
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"It is really astonishing when you consider Mississauga City Centre is the smallest of the GTA submarkets we track," says Mr. Carras. "There are eight projects completed, eight more under way and two in the launch stage."

Astonishing as well when it comes to prices; the average selling price was $358 a square foot, compared with $548 in downtown west and $457 in downtown east.

"And it has all happened in just the last 10 years," says Mr. Carras. "Before that, Mississauga was where you built single-family suburbs for people who commuted to Toronto.

The transformation from bedroom community to booming self-contained city - the sixth largest in Canada - comes down to the vision and will of Mississauga Mayor Hazel McCallion, says Barry Lyon of N. Barry Lyon Consulting Ltd.

"It used to drive her crazy when people said they were going downtown and meant they were driving into Toronto," he says. "She decided she was going to create a downtown for her city that would keep them at home."

To do that she convinced city council to give great freedom to developers willing to build condo communities in what had been earmarked as the city's core. The centrepiece was the Square One shopping centre, the new city hall and a planned live theatre.

"But what really convinced us to start building there in 1998 was research that showed more people drove into Mississauga to work each day then left it," says Jim Ritchie, senior vice-president of sales and marketing at Tridel Corp. "That meant there had to be terrific demand for an alternative to traditional low-rise, suburban housing."

Tridel built Skymark 1 just south of City Centre at Highway 10 and Eglinton and it sold so well that it built a second tower.

"Based on the Skymark success, we did Ovation at Duke of York and Burnhamthorpe in September, 2001," he says. "Again, that did so well that we have followed up with four more projects since then."

Davies Smith Developments was another early builder in Mississauga's core. The company has built 1,400 suites to date and they have sold exceptionally well, says Renee Bourgon, marketing and communications manager.

"Of the two projects we have on sale now, for example, there are only 10 suites left at our Solstice project and only 80 at our latest one Onyx," she says.

"What helped initially was that council didn't set any height or density restrictions and encourage high-rise communities. Besides, at that time, land to build on was not only affordable but plentiful as well."

Mississauga condos had to be different, though. Condo projects had to offer all the recreational bells and whistles and had to rival downtown Toronto in suite design. One of the basic premises was that these new high-rise communities would help free residents from the tyranny of the automobile.

You might have to drive to work still, but it would be a much shorter commute and when you got home you could park the car and walk to your in-house fitness centre or swimming pool. And if you could not exactly stroll to your favourite restaurant or club it would be no more than a 15-minute drive away.

Does City Centre still have legs? Yes and no, depending on who you talk to. Some developers say all the available land is gone. Others like Mr. Lyon say there are still plenty of building sites available - just look at the strips of low rise territory occupied by fast food franchises.

Then there is the area surrounding City Centre; lots of sites there, he adds. What is more, the planned new light rapid transit line for the Highway 403 corridor and a rapid transit link connecting Port Credit with Brampton is certain to boost demand.

But, at the same time prices are certain to rise.

"You can't build in that area now for less than $450 a square foot," says Mr. Lyon. "Mississauga is catching up to downtown Toronto."
 
That's a lot of hyperbole for this MCC resident. The area does indeed have great potential and it's intensifying rapidly, but to say that it's even remotely comparable to downtown (the real one) is just way too much to swallow. It's also quite far from being built out as the massive grassy lots along Burnhamthorpe, Duke of York and Confederation can attest to, never mind the sea of parking around Square One.
 
You're right, it does have a lot of potential, but one does not see that potential coming to light very quickly. MCC has a large shopping mall, a few office buildings and plenty of new condos. But it is missing the kind of street-level and concentration of diversity in businesses and services that makes a city happen. There is very little street life - except for automobile movements. That's because retail is so heavily concentrated in the malls, and the malls are easily accessed by car.

In many ways, the much smaller Port Credit neighbourhood has a vibrancy that just does not quite exist (yet) in MCC.
 
"What sets it apart is that it has its own real downtown now," says George Carras, president of RealNet Canada Inc., which tracks all forms of residential construction in the Greater Toronto Area. "It is like Los Angeles in that it is a suburb that has become almost self-contained."

I'm quite puzzled by this statement. LA has always been a city in its own right, and never a suburb like Mississauga, so that is not a fair comparison.

Maybe Mississauga can be compared to another California city, San Jose.
 
I found the statement odd as well.

This one too:

Mississauga's city centre - bounded by Burnhamthorpe Road to the north, Mavis Road to the west, Hurontario Street to the east and Central Parkway to the south

Since when does MCC exclude Square One and all the development between Burnhamthorpe and Rathburn?
 
another mistake...

Tridel built Skymark 1 just south of City Centre at Highway 10 and Eglinton and it sold so well that it built a second tower.

that would be, uh, north of City Centre...

and maybe the average price per square foot was $350 -when? going back over 5 years?....today, everything current (i.e. Amacon) is at $450.00
 
here's another interesting article from the Toronto Sun, they did a special on Mississauga condos today....note the bit about 14,000 residential units in the pipeline......we know that Amacon Parkside Village accounts for 6,000 - but there must be a whole lot of others we don't know about yet to cover the remaining 8,000....:eek:

also note that Solstice is confirmed as 39 stories - I thought I was seeing things when I counted 37 residential plus 2 mechanical a while back....

Friday, October 17, 2008
New Homes & Condos
Architecture that turns heads

Mississauga’s condos are winning awards and acclaim

By Marianne Kearney Special to Sun Media

Last Updated: 17th October 2008, 12:17pm

Roland Rom Colthoff delights in taking his friends sailing Fridayafternoons in the warmer months. Starting from a Toronto marina, he typically heads west to catch the favorable winds. When he reaches the water around Humber Bay, he grips his binoculars and looks northwest toward the Mississauga skyline, pointing out the silhouettes of CityGate and

Solstice – downtown condos he helped design. Although his architect friends seem amused, he admits they may be tiring of the attention he bestows upon his structures. Still, he couldn’t have done this six years ago. There was little Mississauga skyline to speak of back then. The heart of Canada’s sixth largest city was barely beating. Sure, Square One Shopping Centre was firmly rooted in the core, but you can’t slap a mall in the centre of the city and call it “downtown.†But times have changed. This city of over 700,000 is now home to award-winning buildings, buildings of dramatic proportions, buildings with distinctive facades and buildings that are attracting international attention. The once non- existent downtown is slowly coming to life and, dare I say, on the verge of architectural greatness.

Rom Colthoff believes Mississauga’s explosive development was set off when the city removed some key limitations; there have been no height or density controls in the city’s core since the 1990s. He says buildings such as CityGate, Solstice, his upcoming condo Onyx and other Mississauga developments by builders such as Tridel, Daniels, Amacon and Fernbrook Homes are a direct result of this.

“They’ve caught on to what’s so successful here in Toronto,†says Rom Colthoff, who is the director of Toronto architectural firm raw design. “You take away all the density controls, etc., and say, ‘It’s not about the numbers, it’s about urban form, it’s about design.’†Ed Sajecki, Mississauga’s commissioner of planning and building, and his team are definitely all about urban form and design. “In terms of architecture, we are placing a major effort on trying to get a real diversity of building styles and building types,†he says. The south tower at Absolute World by Fernbrook Homes and Cityzen Development Group fits that criterion to a tee. It’s a curvy, sexy swirl of glass that will climb 56-stories high at the major downtown intersection of Burnamthorpe Rd. and Hurontario St.

Appropriately dubbed “the Marilyn Monroe,†it was part of an international design competition that saw submissions from the best of the best around the world. Yale-schooled, award-winning Beijing architect Yansong Ma’s entry will grace the landscape by 2010. A second building in the five-tower, gated Absolute community will be modelled after the Marilyn tower. The two structures will stand side by side, right across the street from Square One. And when these showpieces rear their pretty heads, they’ll undoubtedly put Mississauga on the map.

The road to beautification has been a long time coming for Mississauga. In the late sixties and early seventies, the city put planning policies in place that worked toward the creation of a downtown. But in the early years of that policy the emphasis was largely on building a civic hub (city hall, the central library, the Living Arts Centre, the YMCA), office space and transit. Residential development in the core has only been a recent trend over the last five or six years. An early player in Mississauga City Centre’s residential architectural revolution is Davies Smith Developments. You could see its

CityGate 1 and 2 appear on the horizon back in 2003 in the Burnamthorpe and Duke of York Blvd. area south of Square One. It introduced Mississauga to its first loft condos and was so well received that it won the Mississauga Urban Design Award of Excellence and Project of the Year from the Canadian Home Builders’ Association (CHBA). “We've had a lot of positive response to CityGate,†says its architect, Rom Colthoff. “We feel it’s a successful way of providing a human scale to the street while still having the ability to achieve quite relatively high densities, which is what you need for the city core.â€

Riding high on the success of CityGate, Davies Smith built Solstice last summer just behind CityGate. It, too, received critical acclaim: the 39-storey structure was named project of the year by both CHBA and the Ontario Home Builders’ Association. Those two projects have “brought a very modern and clean design to the cityscape,†says Renee Bourgon, marketing and communications manager for Davies Smith. “They’ve really brought up the level of what you see in Mississauga.â€

So will the developer’s latest condo, Onyx. The 36-storey shimmering glass creation by Rom Colthoff and Richard Witt, raw design’s director, boasts two-storey lofts and a spectacular rooftop terrace. Demand was so great for the lofts that Davies Smith had the architects go back to the drawing board to work in more lofts.

Ask Sajecki why so much great architecture has come to Mississauga of late and he talks about how there’s a much greater sophistication among purchasers and certainly among the builders and developers. “We’re fortunate to the extent that with every new building that goes up, it moves the yardstick on design just a little further,†he says. It also won’t hurt that the city formed an urban design review panel last year made up of well-known Mississauga- and Toronto-area architects and planning professionals. The 14,000 residential units currently in various stages of the proposal/planning process for the city centre will surely be scrutinized carefully.[]

“The changes [in Mississauga] are transformational,†says Sajecki. “These are very exciting times. We’ve gone from a hayfield to a big, dynamic city.â€
 
There is no downtown in Mississauga yet. We have yet to see if that will ever happen. I think it's possible though.
Also... what clubs? There are no clubs! Failte's and Curve are not clubs. The person who wrote this must be a total flake. Not to mention they didn't even get the geography right.
 
I completely don't understand the LA comparison.

And I have a completely different take on the story ... considering how large the city is now it's EXTREMELY disappointing how lacking their downtown core is by now (forget future development) anyway that attempts to say anything else hasn't even been to MCC. Unfortunately with many of these article riders that's the case, they look at stats but have never been to MCC before. It's seteral and devoid of life.

It is improving but I don't see why everyone complements it when we should be putting it down which will hopefully entice more change.

The LA comparison actually makes me really mad ... anyone who's actually been to LA downtown knows it's more then what's in it's pictures although it's pretty gritty it has a ton of life.
 
There is no downtown in Mississauga yet. We have yet to see if that will ever happen. I think it's possible though.
Also... what clubs? There are no clubs! Failte's and Curve are not clubs. The person who wrote this must be a total flake. Not to mention they didn't even get the geography right.

How can Mississauga call their MCC a downtown, when there is no GO train station there, no rapid transit, no all-night transit, or no pedestrian traffic?
 
How can Mississauga call their MCC a downtown, when there is no GO train station there, no rapid transit, no all-night transit, or no pedestrian traffic?

Downtown London, Ontario has no GO train, no rapid transit, no all-night transit either, but I would still call it a downtown.
 
Downtown London, Ontario has no GO train, no rapid transit, no all-night transit either, but I would still call it a downtown.

There is a downtown VIA train station in London, ON. Where is the VIA station in Mississauga? Not MCC.

London, with a population of 352,395, is smaller than Mississauga (703,246) or Brampton (452,000). So with a population double than London, Mississauga should have all-night service. And since Hamilton (504,559) is smaller than Mississauga and is planning for a couple of rapid transit lines, Mississauga should have rapid transit as well.
 
Mississauga doesn't have a VIA station, but Oakville and Brampton do. What does that mean? It just means Mississauga is closer to Union Station than Oakville or Brampton are. Nothing more, nothing less.

As for rapid transit, there's the Mississauga Transitway/BRT going along the 403. There's also LRT planned for Hurontario and Dundas. We're no less far along than Hamilton in that regard. And at least our plans are along our densest corridors, unlike Toronto's Transit City which is a social program in disguise and not actually serving areas that need to be served (e.g. DRL).

Pedestrian traffic, there's plenty of. Have YOU been to MCC?

And about GO stations again, there is Cooksville GO nearby, and Erindale GO a little further. And all-day GO service from Port Credit which is a short drive away.
 

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