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Greetings,

If you'd like to take part in a public discussion about the future of transit in the Golden Horseshoe, make plans to attend the GTA Transit Summit: Building a Network that Serves Riders.

Friday evening, November 3 and Saturday, November 4
Metro Hall, 55 John St., Toronto

Find the tentative agenda at:
transitforum.ca/agenda.htm

The summit is free of charge, but space is limited. If you're considering attending please let us know via: transitforum.ca/rsvp.htm

Or email: rsvp@...

Interested in helping organize this and possible future public events? Visit the discussion board:
finance.groups.yahoo.com/...nsitforum/

If you have any difficulty viewing the board messages, or signing up to regularly receive posts, contact me directly at transit@...

Thanks, Ed Drass
Transportation columnist
 
If anyone who have plans for Toronto or the GTA want to put them on display at the forum, drop me a line so I can make room for them.

There have been a number of plans shown here that goes against current policys and that is what we are looking for.

I have seen some good ones here. This is for Subways, BRTs and LRTs.

drum118@hotmail.com
 
FOR IMMEDIATE RELEASE
THURSDAY NOVEMBER 2, 2006

MEDIA ADVISORY:

ROCKET RIDERS, SIERRA CLUB OF CANADA AND TRANSPORT 2000 ONTARIO WILL
HOLD A GTA TRANSIT SUMMIT: BUILDING A NETWORK THAT SERVES RIDERS

WHERE: Metro Hall, 55 John St., at King St. Toronto

WHEN: Friday evening, Nov. 3, 6:30 – 9:00 p.m.
Saturday, Nov. 4, 9:30 a.m.– 5:00 p.m.

WHAT: With the advent of the Greater Toronto Transportation
Authority, this forum will examine riders' needs through
a combination of presentations by professionals and
exchanges of ideas between transit users and
transportation planners.

WHO: Professional facilitators, Hardy Stevenson & Associates
will guide the proceedings emphasizing input from transit
users and the public. Dr. Christopher Kennedy, Professor
of Civil Engineering is the keynoter on, "The Four
Pillars of Sustainable Urban Transportation." Other
presenters include Steve Munro, prize-winning independent
transit expert, Ed Levy of the BA Group, Mitch Stambler
of the TTC, and representatives from various transit
authorities and local governments in the GTA.

FOR MORE INFORMATION:
transitforum.ca
transitforum.ca/

MEDIA CONTACTS
Ed Drass transitsummit@yahoo.ca (416) 769-9984
Meirav Even-Har carfreemeirav@yahoo.ca (416) 868-3735
 
Steve Munro's notes from the summit (probably worth repeating here)...

Closing Remarks from the GTA Transit Summit

The following text is adapted from the notes of my closing remarks at the GTA Transit Summit on Saturday, November 4.

Think Big

If there was one vital thread running through the weekend's presentations, it is this: population growth vastly exceeds our plans for providing more and better transportation services, and the public is getting fed up with excuses for what we cannot do. Politicians need to recognize the true scope of the problem and stop using unworkable shared funding schemes as their excuse for inaction.

The GTA's population is growing at a rate of 100,000 per year. Over half of this will locate outside of the 416, and growth within the 416 is substantially higher in the outer suburbs where transit service is the worst. The TTC does a tolerable job (it could do much better) at providing support for a car-free lifestyle in the central area, but everywhere else a car is an absolute necessity.

Where are we in the face of this growth? Mississauga has plans for a busway/BRT with a capacity of up to 10,000 passengers per hour. This is a good start, but it doesn't mean high quality service for the entire region. Moreover, that capacity is only practical for line-haul operations. If you want the buses to actually stop now and then for passengers, you need very large stations. That's one advantage of a future LRT upgrade -- fewer, but longer trains can handle higher capacities without stations resembling toll plazas.

Meanwhile over in Durham, there are plans for a BRT, but they are hung up on the tripartite funding formula. Until recently, we heard of the inconvenience suffered by Durham transit users -- all 30,000 of them -- during the recent strike. Durham needs to carry far, far more passengers to be a serious contender.

GO Transit has a ten-year plan that could, to be charitable, be called "modest." In a decade, GO plans to have 20,000 more daily riders than today. That's a whole 2,000 per year, not exactly a stunning contribution to regional capacity.

Both GO and VIVA operate "first class" services designed to attract the business commuter. Fares on GO are high, and their cost recovery is better than even the TTC's. This model is unworkable for a large-scale regional service that must cater not just to the discretionary business traveller, but to the day-to-day rider. There is a myth that everyone in the 905 has anywhere from two to four cars in their garage, but that is changing fast if indeed it ever was true. A transit service designed only for the posh business rider cannot scale up, and its cost is untenable for the GTA as a whole.

Oh yes, GO's other big goal for 2016 is to have 10,000 more parking spaces. You can do the math. 10,000 more cars with one person each who makes a round trip somewhere. That's 20,000 new riders per day. Not very impressive.

Meanwhile, the TTC at its current 6% growth rate will carry 90,000 more passengers per day next year. That's in a comparatively transit-friendly area with an established infrastructure. Imagine what systems in the 905 would have to do just to reach that level.

A Grand Plan

Earlier this year, I wrote a proposal, partly in jest, called A Grand Plan. Its intent was not to be prescriptive, to say "you must build here,", but descriptive, to say "this is what could be." People often ask me where and what we should build, and I am loathe to get into map-drawing.

I get lots of feedback on this site with schemes for various lines. The problem is that the moment you draw a line on map, especially an official map, it gains status and the debate changes to why the line is, or isn't, in some location rather than the fundamental issue of how big and complex our transit network should be.

Vital to any GTA planning will be that we look at one network, not a single agency's territory or pet technology. This is not the same as amalgamation of the operating agencies or their political boards. What is needed is an end to interagency rivalry and planning that ignores the contributions of each member in the GTA.

For example, various proposals exist for east-west services in the corridor between Finch and Highway 7. Some look at a rail service in the CN York Subdivision right-of-way, others look at a BRT operation on the 407, still others at a BRT or LRT service in the Finch Hydro corridor. Each proposal is strongly coloured by the desires of its sponsor agency.

Similarly, the TTC has long made plans for rapid transit networks serving core-oriented demand while ignoring the role of GO in serving the growing demand from the 905 and outer 416. GO dismisses the 416 as not their territory even though magically someone can morph into a valued customer just by walking across Steeles Avenue. Projected demands on the full Sheppard Subway and the Spadina/York U line are strongly driven by regional travel that could partly be served by commuter rail if only there were enough of it. Planning in isolation prevents us from even considering such options.

The public needs to see a large-scale view of transit solutions, but there is little advocacy from governments or agencies especially for technologies like LRT that are poorly understood. We get a vague idea that LRT is not the same thing as a streetcar, but that's about as far as it goes. The TTC did us no favour by caving into pressure to retain the Scarborough RT technology rather than converting to LRT. That decision only makes financial sense if we never extend the line, but the costs won't come out so much in favour of RT when the extension north to Malvern is included in the calculations.

Governments love to talk about projects -- they are easy to package into budgets and announcements, they limit financial exposure and public expectations to one specific line. The public, however, needs to see a network view, an overall scheme and, dare I say it, a vision of what transit could do for everyone. This requires a serious, long-term commitment and a lot of money to both capital construction and ongoing operations.

The very process of discussing major transit services stifles debate. Single, predefined projects are floated past a suspicious public. There is much work for facilitators and designers, and much frustration with prejudged outcomes. Decades-old schemes are treated as gospel even when the circumstances under which they were proposed have changed.

Challenging the Model

The 1960s saw the great urban expressway battles. Assumptions about road networks rooted in the 50s, 40s and 30s simply did not hold up to the changing role of cities as places people lived, not as huge networks of expressway ramps. Last summer, I attended a celebration of the Spadina Expressway's cancellation on the grounds of Casa Loma, on a spot that would, in an alternate universe, have become part of the expressway. One huge and bitter irony is the growth of population in the core, possible only because its rebirth as a place to live thanks to the expressway's absence. This roughly equals the number of commuters the expressway would have delivered from the burbs to gleaming office towers in an otherwise empty city.

Queen's Park discovered transit, and the era of suburban subway construction started. Sadly, people did not understand that serving an existing built-up area is very different from the requirements in the sparsely-populated suburbs. The TTC's myth that subways bring development lived on even though the Bloor-Danforth line has survived for decades without a forest of high-rise at every stop. The reason? The BD line is fed at many locations by frequent surface routes, and it has a good solid band of medium-density city all along the route and its closely-spaced stations.

Now we need another change, we need to embrace a model of more major transit lines, but with a less intrusive and costly technology be it buses or LRT. Sadly, we hear mainly about BRT because it suits GO Transit and Queen's Park to talk about the cheapest option, and the public never sees a tentative design for an LRT network.

One GTA, One Network

If we are to address the growth in transit demand, incremental, small-scale changes won't do it. We must move from the language of "subsidy" to one of "investment." Why is a new road "an investment," but a new bus (let alone a new streetcar) always a drain, a demand for greater "subsidy?"

I do not advocate PPP "solutions" whose primary purpose is to move debt off the books of government agencies while offering lucrative risk-free returns to the private sector. The question of whether the public sector is competent to build at reasonable cost is completely separate from where ownership should reside when a project is completed.

I have severe doubts about the usefulness of "smart card" systems whose raison d'etre has more to do with artificial lines on maps than with what would be best for transit riders. The questions of service quality and cost need to be decoupled from the revenue stream. Premium quality services such as an express ride on a commuter train should command an extra fare, but otherwise I have a radical proposal: a flat fare for the entire GTA provided through a monthly pass good on any regular-fare service.

The reaction this usually brings is that I have lost my senses, that the central network will be bled dry as we build up services in the 905 with nothing to show for it in revenue, a direct analogy to the abolition of "Zone 2" in 1972. That happened when suburban Councils in Metro Toronto, as it then was, said "if we're going to subsidize the transit system, we're going to ride on it for the same fare as everyone else." Yes, being able to ride from Oshawa to Hamilton on my GTA-Pass may seem absurb, but if really wanted to take the hours needed to do this on local service, who cares?

A vital issue for transit is that we must not discourage medium-to-long haul riders by raising their fares. If a smart card means that someone travelling from Scarborough to Downtown must pay more, the "fair" fare for their trip, they will not be happy. The cheaper ride north to Markham won't make up the difference. Moreover, a flat fare will eliminate the need for hundreds of millions' worth of card handling technology. No benefit for the technology vendors, their lobbyists or the transit professionals who would rather do anything but actually run decent service, but a lot better for transit systems and their customers.

The soon-to-form GTTA has three fundamental challenges:

1.) In the inner 416, preserve and develop transit supportive neighbourhoods with new and improved services.

2.) In the outer 416, encourage transit supportive redevelopment replacing car-oriented built form and density with medium density neighbourhoods and good transit services.

3.) In the 905, design transit service to improve mobility throughout the region and design new neighbourhoods to support this service. The 905 is changing into a city from a loose collection of suburbs, and it needs "city" services to survive.

Good transit service is essential to the entire region. Transit must be the first choice, not the last choice, for the GTA.

2 Responses

David Cavlovic Says:
November 8th, 2006 at 9:26 am

Ottawa, of course, has an extensive BRT system that works extremely well. However, Ottawa does not, as yet, have the density, both in population and traffic, that Toronto has (by my estimation, Ottawa is about seventy years behind Toronto in population growth). As wonderful as the Transitway is here in Ottawa, I fail to see how anything remotely similar could work in the GTA.

Besides, the Transitway was designed to be converted to LRT once a certain population base was achieved -- a fact that the current city council and its O-Train promoters have conveniently forgotten.

Tom B. Says:
November 8th, 2006 at 2:31 pm

In today's transit-strained environment, PPPs should not be dismissed as a partial answer to the dearth of new investment. People often mistake PPP solutions as mainly about ownership/stewardship when in fact they are primarily used for the same reasons that people buy houses with mortgages - using someone elses capital allows you to "own" something much faster than otherwise would be the case.

Private investment capital is (today) more readily available than public capital. Indeed Canada's large pension funds (public and private) are practically crying out for opportunties to invest in infrastructure. Ultimately the public still regulates and, at the end, owns the asset; they just pay for it over a longer period, paying interest to the lenders/investors along the way. To say that public sector financing is better because it is "free" (it's not) is like saying it's cheaper to buy a house with cash than with a mortgage - true but not relevant to 99% of the population.

I'm not sure what the alternatives are, other than very little getting built; that will continue to be the case when certain interests (mainly public sector unions who perceive their well-paid jobs as being threatened¡*not really a sound basis for policy*) use specious arguments against sensible PPPs, the kind that are being used all over the world for roads, transit and all types of infrastructure.

Steve: The problem lies in the yawning gap between the theory you describe and what usually happens. The best local example is highway 407, originally in the public realm, that was sold off in a sweetheart deal to paper over a cash flow problem at Queen's Park.

If I could really believe that PPPs would be developed on a lender/investor relationship rather than one where those in power hand over public assets to their friends for private profit, I might have a different view of things.

Your statement about public investment being seen as "free" is faulty. We have to pay for new infrastructure somehow either with cash-from-current revenue, borrowing, leasing, or some combination of these. Borrowing, one way or another, leads as all good conservative thinkers know to a requirement to pay for the debt. It does not matter whether this is public or private debt, the public pays for it as part of the cost of operating a transit system or government in general. We can hold the debt directly in the public sector, or indirectly through the private partner.

If our concern is that there is some private agency "out there" who can build subways for $60-million a mile, then go find them and let them bid on the construction work along with every other company in southern Ontario.
 
I'd like to see Munro appointed to the new GTTA. There isn't a clearer thinker about transit. His site is well worth visiting regularly for anyone who has an interest in transportation in the GTA. (He also occasionally offers movie reviews.)
 
There's already such a group called The Rocket Riders.
 
^Who knew. Do they have any influence at all? And do they focus on other transit issues besides the TTC? From looking around their site it seems as though they have some good ideas and good perspectives but I can't say I see much focus on transit on a regional level.

I am also curious about whether the organization conducts itself in a professional manner or not. I don't want to insult any members that might be on this forum but is the organization largely transit geeks who find this stuff fun or are there a fair number of people who have training and backgrounds that would make their views and ideas relevant?
 
Has anyone from this forum ever contacted Steve and proposed forming a transit advocacy group, or perhaps a coallition of persons working to develop their own strategy for transit planning in the GTA? If ever there were a chance to voice an independent, and intelligent, view on transit outside of governmental agencies it seems as though this would be a great person to start working with.
 
^Steve Munro attends the meetings occasionally. The meetings are conducted professionally with excellent speakers from time to time. Attendees are varied: activists, cranks, geeks, strategists... Members regularly make deputations to the TTC (and GO) on behalf of citizens and the group concerns. Well worth a visit.
 

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