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$55-billion Toronto transit plan sets stage for political battle

Proposal pits mayor against province over light-rail line

JEFF GRAY

From Wednesday's Globe and Mail

September 3, 2008 at 3:39 AM EDT

A confidential draft plan for combatting commuter congestion in the Toronto region calls for spending $55-billion over 25 years on a network of new subway and light-rail lines, improved commuter rail, express bus routes and longer and wider roads.

The blueprint, drawn up by Metrolinx, the provincial transportation agency, also promises to set up a political fight between Mayor David Miller - who sits on the agency's board - and the province. The Metrolinx plan runs against the mayor's signature Transit City light-rail plan by calling for what the TTC has warned would be a prohibitively expensive subway-like transit line on Eglinton Avenue.

The Metrolinx plan, a copy of which was viewed by The Globe and Mail, is being presented to board members and provincial officials, including Premier Dalton McGuinty, this week.

It is more modest than other scenarios contemplated by Metrolinx, including one concept that would have cost $90-billion. The plan says it would cost $2.2-billion a year over 25 years, with most of the spending in the first 15 years. Many of the new transit lines it includes have been proposed, in one form or another, before, or were included in the province's $17.5-billion MoveOntario 2020 plan. The highlights are:

  • Express GO Transit rail service from downtown Toronto to Hamilton, Oshawa, Brampton, Richmond Hill and Mississauga, running every 15 minutes, all day, in both directions;
  • Express rail service every 15 minutes to Pearson Airport from Union Station;
  • A subway or subway-like "Metro" line along Eglinton Avenue;
  • A "Downtown Core" east-west subway line;
  • Thousands of kilometres of longer and wider roads, including the extension of Highway 407 east to Clarington, as well as extensions to the 404, 427 and 410;
  • Local rapid-transit bus or light-rail services along major routes in Hamilton, Halton, Peel, York and Durham Regions;
  • $500-million for "active transportation," such as bike lanes;
  • Northward extensions of TTC light-rail lines planned for Jane Street and Don Mills north to Highway 7 in York Region;
  • GO Transit commuter rail service expansions or improvements including routes to Niagara, Kitchener-Waterloo, Bowmanville and Aurora.

Metrolinx's 11-member board, made up mostly of Greater Toronto Area municipal politicians, with four seats from the city of Toronto, will debate the draft plan at a retreat this weekend in King City. Premier Dalton McGuinty is also scheduled to have a briefing on the plan this week, one source familiar with the plan said. A final-draft version, which may include modifications to the current plan, is to be presented this month for public consultations.

Other potentially controversial policies under consideration by Metrolinx - such as road tolls for the 400-series highways or new taxes on parking spots or gasoline - are to be presented in a separate financial plan.

For now, the revisions to the TTC's Transit City plan will likely generate the most political heat, as public meetings on the mayor's proposed light-rail lines, including a partly tunnelled line on Eglinton, are already going ahead.

While the Premier previously appeared to endorse the city's light-rail agenda, which is now expected to cost about $10-billion, Metrolinx is supposed to fine-tune the region's transportation plan and set priorities for provincial funding. Mr. Miller campaigned on the plan to run new, more modern streetcars along a partly tunnelled route on Eglinton, so scrapping that for a subway would put Toronto's mayor and Metrolinx on a collision course.

Adam Giambrone, the city councillor who chairs the TTC and also sits on the Metrolinx board, said yesterday he had not seen a copy of the plan. But he reiterated the TTC's objection to a subway along Eglinton, which he said is not warranted given the projected ridership numbers and would cost as much as $10-billion compared with a light-rail line with an estimated $2.2-billion price tag.

He warned it would also take much longer to build, meaning it might not happen at all - the fate met by the last subway planned for Eglinton, upon which construction had already begun before it was cancelled in 1995 by the newly elected provincial Progressive Conservative government of Mike Harris.

"I think we have said very clearly that we are not going to build a Metro or a subway on Eglinton," Mr. Giambrone said.

Metrolinx chairman Rob MacIsaac has argued previously that Eglinton is busy enough to warrant more than just a light-rail line.

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A few comments:

A very good plan, on the whole. The regional rail improvements are obviously the best part, though I'd like to see electrification before the massive investment in rolling stock. If we buy billions worth of diesel rolling stock, it will hold back electrification for decades. The benefits of electrification (acceleration, environmental, etc.) are immense in a regional rail system like that. Nobody on earth operates an urban frequency regional rail service like that with diesel trains.

I await further details on the downtown east-west subway. It's obviously extremely necessary, but I hope they look at the DRL alignment rather than defaulting to the 1911 plans for Queen. Not that a Queen subway wouldn't also be a massive improvement over what we have today!

I might add that it's insane to spend $55 billion and not finish Sheppard or the subway to Scarborough Centre. I'll excuse the latter omission if the RT is actually going to be extended on Eglinton.

The only way this plan is going to be defeated is if Miller and Giambrone fight it kicking and screaming because of their need for streetcar ideological purity.
 
You beat me to it! I just saw the article.

I agree on the electrification as well... I wonder if they will still be doing so on the Lakeshore West line?

Cant wait to read the plan myself!
 
Eglinton, as the TTC plans it, will be a "metro-like" line, but only the underground portion from Weston/Keele to Leaside. I am sure they can come to some understanding there. At the least, I would want to see the outer ends be a little more metro-like, particularly on the west side, when the Richview corridor is, pardon me, "right friggen there". Eglinton is the one line that could be heavily altered, but intact still could be true RT. But the streetcar ideology has led to Sheppard East Transfer City and the Jane and Malvern boondoggles.

S-Bahn on the Lakeshore and inner Milton, Georgetown and Richmond Hill lines is exciting stuff, but I wonder why the article fails to mention Stouffville/Markham. I also wonder why commuter rail expansion to Aurora is mentioned, unless they mean a connection from the Bala (RH) Sub to the Newmarket (Barrie) Sub. No mention of Bolton.

Electrification is certainly necessary, particularly on the Lakeshore. I'm certainly interested in the rolling stock they have in mind, but even DMU would be a big improvement over what's there now. A good comparison for electrification costs would be the 1995 modernization of the Deux-Montanges line in Montreal - even though that was already electrified, pretty much everything was ripped out as they converted from DC locomotive-powered to a modern AC EMU service.

Also, I hope a DRL is the plan for a east-west downtown subway. I don't like the Queen Street idea that has appeared on the vague maps so far.
 
Adam Giambrone, the city councillor who chairs the TTC and also sits on the Metrolinx board, said yesterday he had not seen a copy of the plan. But he reiterated the TTC's objection to a subway along Eglinton, which he said is not warranted given the projected ridership numbers and would cost as much as $10-billion compared with a light-rail line with an estimated $2.2-billion price tag.

He warned it would also take much longer to build, meaning it might not happen at all - the fate met by the last subway planned for Eglinton, upon which construction had already begun before it was cancelled in 1995 by the newly elected provincial Progressive Conservative government of Mike Harris.

first Giambrone says the subway will cost $6-8 billion, now it will cost $10 billion..... maybe that means it's getting more and more likely to happen ;)
 
Giambrone is being unbelievably disingenuous when he claims that an LRT with 10 km of subway-scaled tunnels and a half dozen stations (plus many kilometres of surface running) will cost $2.2 billion, while a subway line half the length and with barely more than half as many stations will cost $2.5 billion. It's preposterous. Obviously most of the doubling of the cost of Transit City to $10 billion comes from the Eglinton line, making the original $2.2 billion figure very much out of date.

Eglinton isn't that much longer than the 18.5km Canada Line in Vancouver, which has an underground segment of comparable length and uses technology similar to the Scarborough RT. It cost $1.8 billion.

Expect the TTC's projected cost of a subway to inflate to at least $20 billion before they finally give up.
 
Strong plan -- especially the Eglinton and downtown East-West subway proposals. I prefer it to the every-ward-wins TransitCity plan.
 
S-Bahn on the Lakeshore and inner Milton, Georgetown and Richmond Hill lines is exciting stuff

Maybe I missed something, but can we assume both Lakeshore and Milton will be electrified express GO? The article only has a vague reference to "Mississauga" and MoveOntario only slated Lakeshore for electrification.
 
Just sit back and watch all the kicking and screaming.

Nothing’s going to happen.

How many times have we come up with plans to save the waterfront, down the Gardiner, etc, etc, and nothing happened.

It’s Toronto, expect more of the same.

We’re still going to be stuck with super high tech double decker GO buses with those hilariously old ticket making calculator machines, fare boxes with hand drawn signs listing the fare, and change containers for paper tickets.
 
Just sit back and watch all the kicking and screaming.

Nothing’s going to happen.

How many times have we come up with plans to save the waterfront, down the Gardiner, etc, etc, and nothing happened.

It’s Toronto, expect more of the same.

We’re still going to be stuck with super high tech double decker GO buses with those hilariously old ticket making calculator machines, fare boxes with hand drawn signs listing the fare, and change containers for paper tickets.

Very cynical response - the trouble being that it could be very accurate in the end.
 
The reason why the TTC is like that is because most of the people were hired in the 70's and 80's and have been around for a long time and are unionized.

They like the way things are, and are resistant to change.

Imo the only way the TTC will change if it gets rids of its outdated stock. :cool:
 
Maybe I missed something, but can we assume both Lakeshore and Milton will be electrified express GO? The article only has a vague reference to "Mississauga" and MoveOntario only slated Lakeshore for electrification.

I recommend that we all wait three weeks for the draft plan to be released. It is impossible at this stage to answer those questions.
 
Metrolinx is "interferring" with the city/TTC/Miller plans for Eglinton (probably because it affects the 905 @ the Peel border), so why not mess around with the rest of Transfer City? As ShonTron says, the boondoggles are obvious.

Running the SRT along Eglinton would be truly unfortunate.

They're worried about bringing more and better GO service to rural Aurora (extension of the Richmond Hill line) but what about lines not mentioned? The Stouffville line would thrive with better service...its stations are wonderfully located.

I doubt the proposed downtown subway would be the DRL or something similar (via Union)...but it should be.
 
Very cynical response - the trouble being that it could be very accurate in the end.

The hint is in the statement in the story that most (all?) of this stuff has been proposed by other people, at other times in other reports.

As an example (being a Brampton resident) I am frankly a bit tired of the number of times in my working life that people have told me that soon I would be able to rely on two-way commuter rail service.

Aside from a 6:45 p.m. train that gets me part way home, there has been no meaningful change in the train service levels in the 20+ years I have been commuting down here....so another report telling me that it is now going to happen in the next 15 years does little to excite me....yes, count me cyinical too!

In fact, I kinda think that the reason none of these studies/reports ever come out and say "yeah, the last one was right...we should do that" is that every tweek allows for another 5 years of political wrangling/debate/procrastination......so this plan goes against the plans of the Mayor of Toronto and his tranist guru/dougy howser guy........how long do you think this fight will last?

Call me well into my retirement when it is all over!!
 
Sanata Claus should send one representative from every family in the GTA to Berlin for one week where they can experience a transit system that works: Buses, U-Bahn, S-Bahn, and Regional Rail in perfect harmony. The trip would convince people that transit can work and change cities for the better in the process, and they would all come back ready to effect change.

Where are you Santa Claus?!

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