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This is overall pretty accurate, though with a few predictable snipes. Turner was right all along. CUFTA/NAFTA was a pointless deal that sacrificed our sovereignty for absolutely nothing. We've given up our ability to regulate our own energy industry or the environment, for example, and for what? Nobody has ever successfully explained to me how we get anything from this deal that we wouldn't get from the WTO. And Congress retains the power to slap tarrifs on us any time it likes, as we've seen in softwood lumber and other cases. If there were labour market flexibility or a loosened border, that would be a different story, but all we got were reduced tarrifs which would have happened anyway under the WTO. It's heresy to say it, but what's the benefit?


NAFTA's legacy: the worst agreement we ever signed

MURRAY DOBBIN

Special to Globe and Mail Update

March 5, 2008 at 7:10 PM EST

In the aftermath of Barack Obama's and Hillary Clinton's threats to "renegotiate" NAFTA — or pull out — the usual suspects have been activated to tell the world how wonderful the deal has been for Canada and the United States.

There is no doubt that the sector that devised the scheme in the first place and sold it to politicians have benefited greatly from this investors' rights agreement and its predecessor. The continent's largest corporations have greatly reduced regulatory impediments to their profits, radically lowered labour costs, gutted Canada's sovereign capacity to pass new environmental legislation and, in terms of investment restrictions, virtually erased the borders.

All of those corporate benefits, however, have been extremely bad for other aspects of Canada and for ordinary Canadians.

But first, let's dispose of a myth about free trade — the notion that it was responsible for massive increases in trade between the U.S. and Canada. According to an Industry Canada study, 91 per cent of the increase in trade in the 1990s was due to the cheap Canadian dollar and the sustained economic boom in the U.S. Now that our dollar is at par or higher, our manufacturing exports are plummeting.

But even if NAFTA were responsible for increased trade, Canadian workers have paid a huge price. Throughout the 1990s, federal governments trumpeted the need to be "competitive" under NAFTA as an excuse to implement some of the most Draconian rollbacks of Canadian social programs ever undertaken. In the name of "labour flexibility," Paul Martin implemented drastic changes to EI eligibility, and repealed the Canada Assistance Plan, freeing the provinces to gut their welfare programs. His extreme low-inflation policy deliberately kept unemployment at high levels (8 per cent to 9 per cent) for most of the 1990s.

That meant that, throughout the decade, workers' real wages actually declined. They still have not caught up to 1981 levels. And the highly paid 220,000 industrial jobs lost as a result of NAFTA are gone forever, replaced by lower-paid jobs.

NAFTA was supposed to unleash a flood of foreign investment — boosting our industrial capacity and productivity. Instead, since the first trade agreement was signed, more than 95 per cent of direct foreign investment has been used to buy up Canadian companies. Head offices and research and development money has headed south, and Canada has seen a steady decline in manufactured goods as a percentage of its GDP for the past 10 years.

Our productivity has fallen behind that of the U.S. in virtually every year since the FTA came into effect in 1989.

The environment has also suffered almost continuously since the deals were signed — and this is according to the Commission for Environmental Co-operation, the NAFTA agency responsible for monitoring the impact of the new regime. The North American Mosaic: The State of the Environment Report, released in 2001, declared that "North Americans are faced with the paradox that many activities on which the North American economy is based impoverish the environment on which our well-being ultimately depends."

It might also have mentioned that Canada has not passed a major new environmental protection law since NAFTA came into effect — at least not successfully. In two instances where it did try, NAFTA's investment chapter forced it to back off. In the Ethyl Corp. case, Canada tried to ban a gasoline additive, MMT, that damaged cars' catalytic converters (not to mention our health). The company sued under NAFTA and Canada withdrew the law. The resulting chill effect means we have no idea how many proposed new laws have been killed in their cribs.

Prime Minister Stephen Harper says Canada is an energy "superpower." But NAFTA virtually guaranteed that the U.S. would be the beneficiary of our energy, and it unleashed a massive increase in energy exports to the U.S.

Canada now exports 63 per cent of the oil it produces and 56 per cent of its natural gas to the U.S. And because of NAFTA's proportionality clause, Canada is legally obliged to continue exporting the same proportion of our oil and gas forever even if we face a shortage.

Next up is our water. The U.S. is already officially into its supply problems and it will, over the next 20 years, become a catastrophic crisis, outpacing even their predicted energy crisis.

NAFTA defines water as a good — meaning that, as soon as any provincial government signs a contract to export bulk water to the U.S. (by river diversion or tanker), nothing can stop further exports.

All of this, and for what? Allegedly, it was for guaranteed, predictable access to the U.S. market. But, of course, as the softwood lumber saga proved, there is no such thing. When its history is written, NAFTA could rightly be described as the worst agreement ever signed by a Canadian government.

Murray Dobbin, a Vancouver writer, is a columnist for the online magazine The Tyee.
 
I have a unique view on NAFTA. As an American citizen who has wanted to move to Canada for years, I don't see any benefit in terms of the labor market.

I applied for a work permit in summer of 2007 and it was denied in August on the grounds that I needed approval from a non-immigration office for the job itself. The kind of position I was applying for a work permit based on was classified, under NAFTA, to not require this step. The immigration officer used their voluntary discretion to deny the application.

It is a disgrace that a college educated American who wants to move to Canada and be a benefit to its higher educated job market can be denied an application. I'm a very multi-cultural person, and I'm not against people of all classes and races immigrating, but why was my application denied? I am all for allowing people of ALL classes given a chance in Canada when they have credentials that really shouldn't be denied.

What this showed me is that Canadians and Americans alike, from an individual standpoint, have very little labor market flexibility between both nations based on the NAFTA agreement. I've heard of Canadians looking to move to America who face the exact same problem (actually it may be harder to get an H1B visa here), so NAFTA isn't working both ways half the time.

The NAFTA agreement does what most people think: it has taken Canadian soverignty away, while not offering benefits to people who work under the rules. The automobile industry operated practically tarriff free for decades before NAFTA or any other kind of mass trade agreement went into effect, and Canada benefitted from the jobs the auto industry created in the last 50 years both with and without NAFTA. Arguably the auto industry is facing more challenges now that NAFTA has passed, regardless whether the agreement is the cause or not.

It just goes to show you that NAFTA hasn't necessarily created lots of jobs nor has it really helped people seeking labor market flexibility.

Something needs to be done, that's for sure. I believe in trade, but my own personal experience proves that NAFTA does very little for the individual citizen when the laws are interpreted on a voluntary basis. Canada needs to retain as much sovereignty as possible to keep the American economic engine from absorbing what it doesn't need to absorb.
 
I have a unique view on NAFTA. As an American citizen who has wanted to move to Canada for years, I don't see any benefit in terms of the labor market.

I applied for a work permit in summer of 2007 and it was denied in August on the grounds that I needed approval from a non-immigration office for the job itself. The kind of position I was applying for a work permit based on was classified, under NAFTA, to not require this step. The immigration officer used their voluntary discretion to deny the application.

It is a disgrace that a college educated American who wants to move to Canada and be a benefit to its higher educated job market can be denied an application. I'm a very multi-cultural person, and I'm not against people of all classes and races immigrating, but why was my application denied? I am all for allowing people of ALL classes given a chance in Canada when they have credentials that really shouldn't be denied.

What this showed me is that Canadians and Americans alike, from an individual standpoint, have very little labor market flexibility between both nations based on the NAFTA agreement. I've heard of Canadians looking to move to America who face the exact same problem (actually it may be harder to get an H1B visa here), so NAFTA isn't working both ways half the time.

The NAFTA agreement does what most people think: it has taken Canadian soverignty away, while not offering benefits to people who work under the rules. The automobile industry operated practically tarriff free for decades before NAFTA or any other kind of mass trade agreement went into effect, and Canada benefitted from the jobs the auto industry created in the last 50 years both with and without NAFTA. Arguably the auto industry is facing more challenges now that NAFTA has passed, regardless whether the agreement is the cause or not.

It just goes to show you that NAFTA hasn't necessarily created lots of jobs nor has it really helped people seeking labor market flexibility.

Something needs to be done, that's for sure. I believe in trade, but my own personal experience proves that NAFTA does very little for the individual citizen when the laws are interpreted on a voluntary basis. Canada needs to retain as much sovereignty as possible to keep the American economic engine from absorbing what it doesn't need to absorb.

In this we agree. NAFTA provides a "status" (it is not a work permit, it is a status that you get on entry) for "professionals" to temporarily work in the other country. Personally, that is one thing I think should be revisited. Problems with it are that it is a limited list of professions, and even if your profession is on their, you still have to provide "qualifications" (i.e. transcript of degree courses) - which already disqualifies a number of people since often you don't end up in the same profession as you were educated. Only certain things were included in the list, and you (but not your spouse) has the ability to work (which rules out most people that are married). You have to get a letter written by your employer, and your employer has to know how to write the letter (write only what is in the DOT - which they use - and write it for that border person - who has no idea what makes a person qualified). You are at the whim of that person (unless you want to file an appeal).

If you travel back and forth - you will get harrassed by individuals that feel the need to state their opinion about the NAFTA agreement, and other unprofessional behaviour. Basically it is one big hassle where you really have no feeling of security (because you could be rejected at any time your cross the border - and you must apply annually).

It would be better if they just allow free movement of people for employment purposes - especially since for the most part we are all part of one North American economy which is fairly well balanced (i.e. there will not be a massive influx of people running across the border).
 
In this we agree. NAFTA provides a "status" (it is not a work permit, it is a status that you get on entry) for "professionals" to temporarily work in the other country. Personally, that is one thing I think should be revisited. Problems with it are that it is a limited list of professions, and even if your profession is on their, you still have to provide "qualifications" (i.e. transcript of degree courses) - which already disqualifies a number of people since often you don't end up in the same profession as you were educated. Only certain things were included in the list, and you (but not your spouse) has the ability to work (which rules out most people that are married). You have to get a letter written by your employer, and your employer has to know how to write the letter (write only what is in the DOT - which they use - and write it for that border person - who has no idea what makes a person qualified). You are at the whim of that person (unless you want to file an appeal).

If you travel back and forth - you will get harrassed by individuals that feel the need to state their opinion about the NAFTA agreement, and other unprofessional behaviour. Basically it is one big hassle where you really have no feeling of security (because you could be rejected at any time your cross the border - and you must apply annually).

It would be better if they just allow free movement of people for employment purposes - especially since for the most part we are all part of one North American economy which is fairly well balanced (i.e. there will not be a massive influx of people running across the border).

I completely agree, cacruden. Really good points. In fact, I think the Canadian government should do it unilaterally, if the Americans refuse to co-operate. With minimum requirements like, say, a high school diploma and no criminal record, we should let any American who wants to work here come. And if they want to stay, they should be able to apply for landed immigrant. If nothing else, it would take away the immense hassle people face when their spouses get a job up here. It could also help solve some of the labour shortages in places like Alberta.
 
I completely agree, cacruden. Really good points. In fact, I think the Canadian government should do it unilaterally, if the Americans refuse to co-operate. With minimum requirements like, say, a high school diploma and no criminal record, we should let any American who wants to work here come. And if they want to stay, they should be able to apply for landed immigrant. If nothing else, it would take away the immense hassle people face when their spouses get a job up here. It could also help solve some of the labour shortages in places like Alberta.

All I can say is that if immigration headaches weren't what they are, you would see many more Americans come north who don't want to deal with a lot of things that are going on here. Its far more hard to get legal Canadian residency than many Canadians realize.
 
I have a unique view on NAFTA. As an American citizen who has wanted to move to Canada for years, I don't see any benefit in terms of the labor market.

That's not especially surprising. NAFTA is not a labour mobility agreement. The dribs and drabs it does have are only intended as necessary corollaries to complement the trade and investment liberalization. Migration liberalization would be a separate agreement.

I applied for a work permit in summer of 2007 and it was denied in August on the grounds that I needed approval from a non-immigration office for the job itself. The kind of position I was applying for a work permit based on was classified, under NAFTA, to not require this step. The immigration officer used their voluntary discretion to deny the application.

Interesting. Many, many Canadians have headed down in the U.S. to work on TN-1 visas, and while you have to dot your i's and cross your t's -- detailed letter from the employer showing how the job for which you're hired fits the category, true or original copy of actual university diploma in a field that corresponds to the job, and so forth -- I'm surprised about a "non-immigration" office that has to approve the job's fit with the categories. I don't know how it works northbound, but southbound it always seemed safer and more straightforward to do this at the border, not by applying by mail, which it sounds like you did...
 

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