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A presentation was made at TTC meeting on Wednesday as an update on the locations of the new carhouses.

The problem TTC is facing is finding large parcel of land to built these carhouses to the point there are going to be at least 6 or more. 4 new ones for sure.

The 2 current ones will stay at this time as storage and for cleaning. Some tracks will have to be remove or relocated to house the new fleet. Portland will become the main yard for the existing fleet.

One to be in the Malvern and Sheppard area and it must be in place by 2012 with the opening of the Sheppard LRT. The question was asked could the line be extended a few km to the east to find land in the 905 as well proving some service to that area? The answer it has not been looked at and could be looked at.

As for the Jane and Eglinton line, there is the old Kodak land, as well a couple of other location near by. Most west of Jane between Eglinton and Finch. The funny thing about this, it has been stated in a number of places that TTC and MT were supposed to be looking at building a joint site to house both fleet, yet there is no plan at this time for MT to build an LRT line on Eglinton or the 403 to connect with the plan Hurontario line. There is land just inside of 905 to house both fleet with no problem.

The report is on line and there should be a map showing various location.

The one thing that cause me and a few commissioners concerns, was there going to be room to store expansion cars over the next 25 years? Some dancing was done around the answers. The question can be answer once real investigation is done to see what size of land parcel can be obtain for each location as well cost. Lack of vision by staff.

The size of the parcel of land is going to tell you what size the carhouse is going to be as well the number of LRT's that can be store there in the first place. A 2nd storage yard will have to be found to store all the LRT's assign to that line if the main carhouse cannot handle the numbers.

Finch is to be ready in 2013, Eglinton in 2015, Don Mills in 2016, Jane in 2017 and Scarbough-Malvern in 2018

At the same time, what happens to other lines that will start showing up over the next year or so that are plan, or been talked about that are not part of the TC plan?

If these carhouses are not on any of the plan LRT routes, more lines will have to be built to get the LRT's into service and will these extra sections mean more routes in one form or another?

Sheppard LRT on June 3, 4 and SRT on the 4th and 5th.
 
One to be in the Malvern and Sheppard area and it must be in place by 2012 with the opening of the Sheppard LRT. The question was asked could the line be extended a few km to the east to find land in the 905 as well proving some service to that area? The answer it has not been looked at and could be looked at.
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Let me guess. The commissioner asking that brilliant question was from downtown. Or wait, maybe Etobicoke. Anyone who's ever been to northeast Scarborough would know that further east on Sheppard is the designated Duffins-Rouge Agricultural Preserve. That's right. Agricultural. We're building hundreds of millions of dollars of streetcars to a couple of farmhouses. And even better, they're farms that the province is protecting in perpetuity! Wow. The state of transit planning in this city.

God forbid we take those hundreds of millions for the useless LRT-to-the-cows east of Kennedy and just build the damned subway from Don Mills to STC as we've always planned.
 
Building yard facilities for new LRT lines...

Drum and UNI2: Interesting info on new yard and shop facilities for new LRT lines being considered by the TTC. Hopefully these facilities can be placed where they are needed and large enough to handle LRT equipment for the time of its design as well as future growth.

Here on LI the LIRR is looking to construct two yard facilities to store and maintain trains-one on the Main Line in central Suffolk County and another on the Port Jefferson Branch. These would allow more trains to serve fast growing LI areas-but as I recall even though there were multiple sites considered NIMBY opposition was strong in some cases-especially with the PJ Branch sites.

I wonder if the TTC will end up having the same problem selecting sites due to NIMBY opposition?

One thing I agree with is the extension of the Sheppard Subway to Scarborough Town Centre-since it is there a Subway - not a LRT line - would be appropriate here. LI MIKE
 
I find it curious that you opted to bash the line for an extension that staff said wasn't even considered...

If we're going to oppose things for what they could do, then shouldn't we oppose intensification because criminals could move in?
 
LIMike: the fact that the subway should be extended along Sheppard - rather than build a new mode & transfer - isn't the only reason why LRT is inappropriate here. If lanes are taken away from cars, traffic will be absolutely crippled (and if car drivers are punished without being given useful transit alternatives, the only thing that'll happen is that the neighbourhood will slowly die). Cars will pour onto Finch, crippling the Finch East buses, or onto the 401, which is just barely functional east of Yonge (and any gains made by LRT will be exponentially reversed by clogging the 401). Ridership for an extended Sheppard subway has been substantially and intentionally underestimated...but they can't say what ridership could be under optimal circumstances or people will start suggesting a logical subway extension. Sheppard, moreso than any corridor in the city outside of downtown, is also ripe for massive intensification, with tens of thousands of residential units on the way and room for tens of thousands more. Heck, our new official plan is hardly 5 years old and will have to be changed now that the Sheppard streetcar is being rammed down Scarborough's throat.

RedRocket191 said:
I find it curious that you opted to bash the line for an extension that staff said wasn't even considered...

If we're going to oppose things for what they could do, then shouldn't we oppose intensification because criminals could move in?
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The possibility/probability that hundreds of millions of dollars will be spent running the Sheppard line out to parkland (and Meadowvale *is* parkland in the middle of nowhere) is just one reason among many why it deserves to be bashed.
 
The LRT FINAL Open House now calls for an LRT not to terminate at Morningside, but now out to Meadowvale. The last one was Morningside. And they'll unveil the planned subway/LRT connection as well!

It's like they make it up as they go along. So would Twyn Rivers be far behind?
 
I can only leave this up to people's individual judgement. Look at Sheppard and Meadowvale on Google Maps and decide for yourself whether this should be the TTC's number one priority in the city for hundreds of millions of dollars in transit investment.

The agricultural preserve and Rouge Park wilderness starts right at Meadowvale, so my comments about LRT-to-the-cows most certainly stand.
 
Towered said:
Well since they're going that far, they might as well add a little loop up to the zoo.
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They'd be much better off using the millions that would cost to run GO buses directly to the Zoo from various places around the city, or shuttles to near or future GO stations. Not enough people will take transit to the Zoo to justify any transit infrastructure.
 
Towered said:
Well since they're going that far, they might as well add a little loop up to the zoo.
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There was a letter in TTC material from the Zoo calling for the LRT to service it.

What !! Loop!! Stub in tracks
 
If the Sheppard East Line is extended eastward to Meadowvale and the Zoo, a carhouse could be built on the old Beare Road garbage dump.
 
The area we're serving with light rail (Sheppard and Meadowvale) has even fewer trip generators than the Zoo. Remember that the Zoo had a Rocket bus for a few months, and even that was deemed more service than necessary.
 
There's just no demand for a local transit line to the Zoo beyond regular buses. The Zoo would generate no rides on the line for six months of the year. Even if the line managed to lure 50% of the Zoo's patrons - a completely impossible figure - that'd be about 5000 riders a day for six months of the year. Even if the Zoo's attendance increased 10 times over, a transit line may not be viable. Simply put, ridership on eastern end of the Sheppard line (including the Zoo, a few subdivisions, etc.) does not justify LRT...the money will be outright wasted.
 
Though if you do end up terminating both the Sheppard and Scarborough LRT lines at Sheppard/Morningside, then it would really pooch the current service to the zoo (which is the current bus routes that would be replaced by LRT). If they both go to that intersection, building a short loop from the intersection up to the Zoo might make some sense. It would certainly help during the peak periods at the Zoo.

Not that I'm convinced that either line justifies LRT that far - but if it happens ...
 
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