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Canada’s Prime Minister Called a Plagiarist

By Sharon Otterman
The New York Times

October 1, 2008, 2:11 pm

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The rhetoric was stirring — as was the situation. On the eve of the United States-led invasion of Iraq, Stephen Harper, who was then the leader of the opposition in the Canadian parliament, took to the floor to express his support for military action, even though most Canadians and the government itself were against it.

“Iraq’s continued defiance of the community of nations presents a challenge which must be addressed,” Mr. Harper, who is now Prime Minister, said at the time.

There was only one problem. That line, along with dozens of others in the speech, now appear to have been taken verbatim from a speech delivered two days earlier by Prime Minister John Howard of Australia.

The accusation of plagiarism against Mr. Harper emerged on Tuesday in the middle of an often-bitter election campaign in Canada, pitting the Conservative party led by Mr. Harper primarily against the Liberal Party headed by Stephane Dion. It will be the third national election in Canada in just over four years.

The aide who was responsible for writing Mr. Harper’s speech, Owen Lippert, resigned his post on Tuesday as a researcher for the Conservative campaign. He acknowledged in a statement that he had been “overzealous in copying segments” of Mr. Howard’s speech, saying he had been “pressed for time.”

Mr. Lippert, who has a Ph.D. in modern European history from the University of Notre Dame and who worked at the Fraser Institute, Canada’s largest independent economic research organization, from 1994 to 2002, said he was to blame for the incident.

“Neither my superiors in the office of the leader of the opposition, nor the leader of the opposition, was aware that I had done so,” he said of the speech-copying.

The similarities between the speeches were discovered by Liberal Party researchers. The party has been eager to play up Mr. Harper’s continued support for the Iraq war, as well as other links between the Prime Minister and the deeply unpopular administration of President George W. Bush to the south.

A new ad on the Liberal Party’s Web site, called “Harpernomics and Bush,” alleges that both Mr. Harper and Mr. Bush support unregulated capitalism at the expense of social welfare. “They both give big polluters billions in tax dollars,” the ad claims.

The Liberal Party has released a YouTube video clip showing the two speeches being delivered side by side, with Mr. Howard and Mr. Harper echoing one another in a kind of musical fugue. The Toronto-based daily The Globe and Mail and other newspapers reported that many of the copied lines were also used in opinion columns that Mr. Harper submitted to newspapers like The Toronto Star, The National Post and The Ottawa Citizen.

While this kind of allegation would quickly become big news in America, its initial reception in Canada seems tepid. Most Canadian newspapers did not put articles about the speech copying on their front pages this morning, nor was it the lead political item on broadcast newscasts, according to The New York Times’s correspondent Ian Austen. However, that may change as the story is played prominently around the world, including on the BBC and CNN.

One reason for the global resonance may be that the incident calls to mind other painful examples of high-profile political plagiarism, like Senator Joe Biden’s uncredited borrowing from an election campaign speech by Neil Kinnock, the British Labor Party leader, in an Iowa presidential debate in 1987. That revelation led to published reports that Mr. Biden, now the Democratic nominee for vice president, had borrowed from other speakers without attribution as well, and even a claim that he had plagiarized while in law school. The spiraling allegations ultimately led to his decision to drop out of the 1988 presidential race.

Then there is the cut-and-paste variety of copying that has become so common in the Internet age, which generally consists of lifting information from open sources. While this may sometimes fall short of plagiarism, it still raises concerns among those who say that such material should be attributed, especially when a government appears to be passing off lifted information as its own research.

Perhaps the most prominent recent example of such creative borrowing took place in the run-up to the Iraq war, when the British government acknowledged that large sections of its February 2003 report, “Iraq: Its Infrastructure of Concealment, Deception and Intimidation,'’ was taken from several magazine articles without attribution, and had been spotted by critics of the government’s policy who had studied the documents. That report had been portrayed as an up-to-date assessment by the British intelligence services of Iraq’s security apparatus.

As The New York Times reported at the time, the Blair government did not deny that it had borrowed material from published sources. But its spokesman insisted that the government believed ‘’the text as published to be accurate'’ and that the document had been published because ‘’we wanted to show people not only the kind of regime we were dealing with, but also how Saddam Hussein had pursued a policy of deliberate deception.'’
 
Owen Lippert is the plagiarist here. It's pretty rare for any PM to write his/her own speeches. They are too damn busy to do so. Instead, they count on speech writers to do that work, and this one failed to do the job properly.
 
I know that he was apparently the speechwriter. Don't you think that there's something a l I know a lot of speechwriters, and the person writing the speech almost always changes at least a little something or has some kind of involvement in writing this.

What ever happened to leaders' responsibility for their underlings? Remember the "Buck Stops Here"?

The fact is that a plagiarism scandal singlehandedly killed Biden's presidential campaign. This story made the front page of the BBC, CNN and the Australian, and made the New York Times. How many Canadian stories of that international profile can you remember that didn't make the front page of the Globe? Even the New York Times was pointing it out.
 
I know that he was apparently the speechwriter. Don't you think that there's something a l I know a lot of speechwriters, and the person writing the speech almost always changes at least a little something or has some kind of involvement in writing this.

Yes, Harper was probably involved to some degree in the writing of the speech, as in reading and commenting on the text. What I think you maybe insinuating here is that he was fully aware that plagiarism was taking place. That has not been proven. Lippert has come out and said that he alone is responsible. As with Biden's case, allegations alone ought not to be determining outcomes. Some people would prefer actual proof lest our political system turn into a politically-motivated rumour mill. There's already too much of that.

This story made the front page of the BBC, CNN and the Australian, and made the New York Times. How many Canadian stories of that international profile can you remember that didn't make the front page of the Globe? Even the New York Times was pointing it out.

It certainly did make the font page of those news organizations for obvious reasons. But just look at the title of the piece you posted. The headline casts suspicion that Harper is the actual plagiarist while the story illustrates that an aid (clearly someone with the credentials to be trusted) actually admitted responsibility. Suspicion and innuendo make for some pretty poisoned politics.
 
I think it stretches credibility that a PhD and an expert in intellectual property would plagiarize a speech. That is, I think they found someone to take the fall. I'm not saying that I think Harper plagiarized the speech personally...

Keep in mind, it has been revealed that Harper has also given a speech with plagiarized passages from a Mike Harris speech given in December 2002.
 
^Actually, that is exactly what you are saying and your allegations are pretty far-fetched. I agree with Hydrogen that this is an unfortunate distraction from the issues during an election campaign. If you don't like the policies of the Conservatives then don't vote for them but these kinds of silly rumors are not helping anybody make their decision.
 
^Actually, that is exactly what you are saying and your allegations are pretty far-fetched. I agree with Hydrogen that this is an unfortunate distraction from the issues during an election campaign. If you don't like the policies of the Conservatives then don't vote for them but these kinds of silly rumors are not helping anybody make their decision.

Absolutely. Why dwell on intellectual dishonesty when the leader promotes himself as a clean guy who has his own visions and is the only one who will stand up for Canada?
 
It is far fetched for the Conservatives to lie about something that would be extremely politically damaging?
 
I am surprised that this isn't bigger news...but then again why should it be? I am glad we don't have the caustic politics of the US where plaigiarism by a speech writer alone is enough to force an otherwise qualified candidate out of the race. I could care less where somebody got a speech from or even where they got their ideas from. Heck, parties within Canada steal ideas from each other all the time. As long as they steal the good ideas, i'm happy. Case in point...Liberal defence of the GST. I think most people would agree that the tax makes sense. The Liberals run against it the first time around but now they've moved on to become some of its biggest supporters. I say good for them for taking the right stance on policy. Let's just get back to talking about issues. All this talk of who is the 'better leader' or who looks 'prime ministerial' is disgusting...we become more American by the day. Macdonald was a drunk, yet in his drunken stupor the man founded this nation. King was said to have consulted his dog, yet he got us through a world war. There was a time when ideas mattered more than the man delivering them....
 
If you don't like the policies of the Conservatives then don't vote for them but these kinds of silly rumors are not helping anybody make their decision.

Obviously, you're talking about the conservatives ad campaign....otherwise you'd be a hypocrite.
 
This is obviously a not-so-thinly-veiled way of reminding people that Harper supported GWB back then.
 
true and the moment which made me very suspicious of Harper, is when the Bloc leader (who is usually the entertainment in English debates), pressed Harper repeatedly.

Harper tried his very best to dodge it but he had to answer.
That made a lot of moderates/centre left people leaning Harper, a little wary.
 
I think it stretches credibility that a PhD and an expert in intellectual property would plagiarize a speech. That is, I think they found someone to take the fall. I'm not saying that I think Harper plagiarized the speech personally....

Then what are you saying?

Just because a person has a PhD does not mean that they can't be lazy, inept or stupid. This is not like the first time a speech has been plagiarized. No doubt it won't be the last time, either.
 
I would expect more subtle plagiarism, if any at all. This was not subtle.

But seriously. Someone with a doctorate in english literature. An expert in intellectual property. Lifts half a speech without changing a word.

All I'm saying is that he seems like a fall guy. Who knows who actually is responsible. Remember, at first the Tories insisted that every member of their staff had moved on since that point in time, yet a few hours later they trotted out a sacrificial lamb?
 

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