Glen
Senior Member
Is there any example of an LRT system that uses a single, shared track? Looking at the headway's it seems that most areas in Toronto would be able to be served by such a system.
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DSCToronto
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In Amsterdam there is at least one stretch of single track but that's because the street there is particularly narrow and its only about 400 metres. Single track is certainly something which Toronto could consider to get through tight-spots on less busy routes but I doubt it would work too well for more than that.
CDL.TO
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Single tracks is quite common in Europe.
One example is Lausanne's Metro line 1 (which is an LRT), which is "almost entirely single-track except at most stations where trains cross each other".
Such an operation requires drivers to stick to the schedule. I question if TTC employees are capable of such a thing.
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One example is Lausanne's Metro line 1 (which is an LRT), which is "almost entirely single-track except at most stations where trains cross each other".
Such an operation requires drivers to stick to the schedule. I question if TTC employees are capable of such a thing.
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Hipster Duck
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Heck, closer to home Ottawa's O-train is a single-track rapid transit line with only a passing track at Carleton University. Again, to echo CDL, sticking to the schedule is a necessity and that's not exactly the TTC's forté.
M II A II R II K
Senior Member
If they wanted to make underground stations on 4 laned streets in Toronto the streetcars could go underground on a single track so there would be space on the street for the streetcars to tunnel into.
If they ever put streetcars on Dufferin again, it would be cool to have a single track entry and exit point just south of Dufferin Mall where passengers could enter the mall from underground and have the streetcar emerge again north of Dufferin Station.
If they ever put streetcars on Dufferin again, it would be cool to have a single track entry and exit point just south of Dufferin Mall where passengers could enter the mall from underground and have the streetcar emerge again north of Dufferin Station.
Earlscourt_Lad
Active Member
I don't think there were ever streetcars on Dufferin in that area. AFAIK the tracks leading to the Exhibition were/are the only tracks that have been on Dufferin. I believe Dufferin didn't have a bus until quite late in the game (early 60's or late 50's). I could be wrong, does anyone know for sure?
299 bloor call control.
Senior Member
I believe one of the earlier options for the south end of the Don Mills LRT was to do single track on Pape Avenue because the ROW is so narrow. I don't believe that's an option anymore though because they're expecting higher headways.
nfitz
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Shame they just don't run Pape one track south, and Donland one-track north. Heck, they could make both the streets one-way as well - that would simplify things - and probably not lose any capacity overall.
RedRocket191
Senior Member
Ya, but it would disrupt natural traffic patterns. Why force people who want to go northbound on Pape walk all the way to Donlands then walk back?
nfitz
Superstar
Why would they walk back? Yes, not the greatest solution for users who would get on and off on Pape itself - though I regularily use the 25 Don Mills, and relatively little of the traffic on that route is being generated on Pape itself. At the same time, this would benefit Donlands users, who wouldn't have to walk to Pape every time.
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RedRocket191
Senior Member
Say i wanted to go north on Pape a single stop. I would have to walk to Donlands, get on for one-stop trip then walk back to Pape. That's the conceptual trip i'm thinking of.
nfitz
Superstar
Ah, I see.
Can't say I've ever seen anyone do this on the 25 ... closest I've seen is someone getting on along Pape, and then changing to the Pape bus, rather than getting in the subway. I'm not saying it doesn't happen, but most people seem to be heading to/from the subway.
Obviously with any scheme, that is going to be an "improvement" it will actually inconvenience some.
And what's worse, something like this, or an underground tunnel with only 1 or 2 stops north of Danforth before cross the Don River.
scarberiankhatru
Senior Member
More than some theoretical people will be inconvenienced. Any stops between Overlea and Danforth are basically voided due to that arrangement. There's a huge cluster of people at Cosburn that use the Pape bus and their walk home would be much longer. Having northbound and southbound accessible via different subway stations would be hilariously confusing, though.
jks
Continuous Lurker
Single tracks were one of the proposed solutions for the Jane LRT. The right-of-way is quite narrow pretty much all the way to Hwy 401, and tunneling all of that would be an incredible waste of money. With all these problems occuring. can't the TTC just move the LRT to Kipling, it makes MUCH more sense. But alas, thet wouldn't pass through a 'priority neighbourhood' <Jane & Finch>, although Rexdale would be close
nfitz
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Any more confusing than the Kingston Road streetcars - both in terms of some heading to Queen, and some heading to King - and in particular where you have to go downtown to find them, to come home?
There's nothing to say you can't loop service down Danforth - the road is certainly wide enough for a single track - and you'd have to construct some kind of link, or all the southbound cars on Pape would forever be stuck there ..., so that way you can always board and drop at the same station.