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Privacy commissioner to probe TTC cameras



Oct 24, 2007 06:50 PM
THE CANADIAN PRESS

Ontario's privacy commissioner is launching an investigation into the installation of thousands of security cameras throughout Canada's largest public transit network following a complaint by an international privacy watchdog that the system would violate the privacy of Toronto commuters.

London-based Privacy International filed the complaint with the privacy commissioner this afternoon, disputing the Toronto Transit Commission's claim that the $21-million project would reduce crime levels and terrorism threats, and arguing that transit officials have shown "contempt" for Canadian privacy laws.

"Privacy International believes that the installation of cameras on the scale proposed by the TTC fundamentally violates privacy law," the complaint states.

"In the absence of a compelling case for public safety, the program is unnecessary and disproportionate. It also appears to be inappropriate and a poorly considered used of resources."

The TTC, which provides 1.4 million rides each weekday, is in the process of installing up to 10,000 security cameras in its buses, streetcars and subway system, adding to its current network of about 1,500 cameras.

The system, which was approved by the TTC last spring and is expected to be operational by June, will be capable of snapping photos and recording video – and in some cases, audio – of any of the TTC's daily riders. The federal government kicked in $6.5 million for the project.

TTC chairman Adam Giambrone defended the system today, saying the information is centrally collected and accessible only to police, and that the cameras are part of larger security plan that involves such measures as increasing the number of transit constables.

"We were the last of the major transit authorities in North America and Europe – who are way ahead – to install a major camera program," he said. "So clearly, the consensus out there is that this is a positive."

But the TTC has failed to establish beyond a reasonable doubt that there is a public-interest justification for the project and has done little to publicize plans for the project before implementing it, the complaint states.

"Very often what happens is that authorities become mesmerized by the technology," Simon Davies, director of Privacy International, said in an interview from London.

"It makes governments look good, it makes public service employees feel that they're on the cutting edge, but the bottom line is that within a year, the crime figures usually return to normal, and the expenditure has gone to waste."

Bob Spence, a spokesman for the Ontario privacy commission, said it's too early to tell what form the investigation may take.

"We're looking at exactly why they're putting up cameras, are they putting up signs so people are aware of the cameras," he said in an interview from Hamilton.

"We'll look at all aspects of the complaint."
 
Maybe its just me, but I think if you want privacy, don't leave the house. There are plenty of opportunities to work from home these days, and the internet delivers just about everything.

Besides, the why would the government want to track my movements? Why would they care what colour shirt I'm wearing? Why would they care if I floss twice a day or not?
 
I hate that every day we're living more and more in a police state. These cameras are not for safety. The system has been operating fine for how many years without all these cameras.
It's so big brother can watch.
 
I hate that every day we're living more and more in a police state. These cameras are not for safety. The system has been operating fine for how many years without all these cameras.
It's so big brother can watch.
Yes, I'm sure that Big Brother is interested in monitoring our every move. Now excuse me while I get back to making tinfoil hats.

In all seriousness, I don't see what the big deal is with cameras on the TTC. People have no reasonable expectation of privacy when they're out in public. Thus, there should logically be no problem with cameras on buses and the subway. It sure as hell won't deter crime, but it sure can help solve it after the fact.
 
Ironically, if you worked from home and relied on the internet, you could be monitored more intensively. They would know more than what colour shirt you're wearing, though that information could come to them in time when you buy new ones.

When we allow our government to put cameras in public space, we're saying that there's nothing fundamentally wrong with it. If we don't care that someone's watching us, then it's hard to argue against corporations installing their own cameras and monitoring our intimate habits and preferences for marketing purposes. It can become easier to manipulate people after analyzing video tape footage of their behavior.
 
^^^ Since when were TTC vehicles "private space"? ^^^

Unless I'm misunderstanding what you're saying, of course.
 
I'd rather have the cameras than drivers behind plexiglass.

The cameras, from what I understand, are like store cameras - they are used for evidence in the case of an incident, as I doubt with 1600 buses and 248 streetcars, and 2-3 cameras in each, that someone will be actively watching.

So why should I care that much? Active surveillance, however, is another story.
 
I'd rather have the cameras than drivers behind plexiglass.

The cameras, from what I understand, are like store cameras - they are used for evidence in the case of an incident, as I doubt with 1600 buses and 248 streetcars, and 2-3 cameras in each, that someone will be actively watching.

So why should I care that much? Active surveillance, however, is another story.

Agreed. Its not like I have anything to hide anyways.
 
will they install toilet cam?


<insert picture of homers trip to japan here>
 
The problem is that these kinds of cameras are woefully ineffective. The police don't bother investigating any minor crime anyway, so if they happen to catch a pickpocket or something like that, it's not like the police will take the face and actually try to catch the criminal. I've experienced having a bag stolen right from under my nose and the whole thing was caught on cameras. The police said that this happens ten times a day, but also said that there's no chance of catching the person. I'd say telling the police to actually investigate crime so people can't steal with impunity would be far more effective at improving safety than any mutimillion dollar camera installation.
 
^^with the amount of money it will cost, can't they just hire security to ride transit routes at random?
 

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