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From the Star:

Sky's the limit for condos?
When it comes to highrise living, T.O. is tops in North America — at least for now
May 25, 2006. 08:10 AM
TONY WONG
BUSINESS REPORTER

We have become a nation living in concrete boxes, thrust into the sky.

More than 17,000 new condos sold in Greater Toronto last year — the most ever in the history of the area.

And we don't take a back seat to any place else on the continent. In Miami, the number sits at 7,500, in Chicago, 6,800, and in New York, 6,450. More resale condos sold in the first quarter of this year than at any time in the past five years.

Toronto, says Jeanhy Shim, president of Urbanation, a market research firm that tracks the condominium business, is the largest market in North America.

The pundits have declared it dead more than a few times over the years, but the condo market has chugged along, oblivious to the fact that it is defying the predictions of some of the best analysts in the business — many of whom still say a reckoning is yet to come.

But, it seems, not yet. In the resale market, for the first time this year multiple offers have been a trend — a feeding frenzy that seemed largely restricted to houses in Forest Hill and single detached homes on leafy streets.

"That was a shocker," says Jamie Johnston, a ReMax realtor who specializes in condos. "It's the first time I've seen a pattern of multiple offers."

The good news for realtors is that Toronto is the hottest market in North America. The potentially bad news (if you're an investor) is that Toronto is the hottest market in North America.

"We know that everything that goes up must come down. When anything seems too unbelievable, it usually is," says economist Frank Clayton of housing research firm Clayton Research. "And the longer the sales go on and prices appreciate, the bigger the adjustment we're going to have."

The problem is, economists such as Clayton have been forecasting the slowdown of the market for a few years, but the opposite has happened. So are we in a new realm where condo sales will stay at lofty levels?

Some realtors seem to think so. Last week, the Greater Toronto Home Builders' Association reported condos accounted for 44 per cent of all new sales in April, well above a historical 25 per cent average, as buyers shy away from detached and low-rise houses.

Ten years into a spectacular market, association president Desi Auciello couldn't sound more satisfied.

"We believe the best may be yet to come," Auciello says, citing the recent GST cut as another boost.

Realtors may be forgiven for thinking the market has entered a new paradigm — although the last time those words were uttered was in the days of the technology boom, before it imploded.

While most economists don't think this will happen to the housing market, some think the condo market is particularly vulnerable to a correction.

There are already signs that developers may be hedging their bets. Several new projects in Toronto have been offering bonus commissions to agents. One luxury downtown project, for example, is offering agents a 5 per cent commission (instead of the standard 2.5 to 3 per cent) on every sale. Another project on the lakefront is offering agents a 4.5 per cent commission next week on any penthouse sale.

If agents sell two or more suites, they can win $2,000 or a trip to California.

By the end of this year, housing economist Will Dunning estimates, 14,700 units will be completed and ready for occupancy. He expects more than 14,000 units to be completed in 2007.

"We won't start seeing a lot of the effects until early 2007, but there will be a wave coming."

While it won't quite be the Poseidon Adventure, Dunning has repeatedly warned that he thinks there is a "high risk" that the market is overbuilt.

One thing he and Clayton agree on is that there are a significant number of investors in the market, anywhere from 25 to 40 per cent. If the market softens, many will be placing their units back on the market.

"Things are totally out of whack; the numbers of condos being sold don't support demographics," Clayton says. Even if the conservative estimate of 25 per cent is applied, that means there will be at least 3,000-plus condo rentals coming on the market every year for the next several years. Those condos are expected to compete with apartments and other condos to drive rental prices down and vacancy rates up.

When investors can't rent their units, they tend to unload them. At least that's the fear.

So far, of course, the much-anticipated correction hasn't materialized. And realtors such as Jamie Johnston, who think the market still has legs, have never looked more prescient.

Still, Johnston, who is an economist by training with an MBA specializing in real estate, is the first to admit that not everything is perfect. For one thing, the spread between resale prices and new condo prices is growing.

The price difference historically between new and old condos has been about $50 per square foot. Developers are now asking about $100 per square foot more for new condos, Johnston says.

"There are still some good new projects coming to market, but there are other projects that will not hold the pre-construction prices being offered today," he said in a recent report.

While he thinks the resale market will continue to be buoyant, Johnston says some of the new condo prices are a result of developers trying to make as much hay out of the market as possible.

But if price gouging and speculators don't kill the market, there is one potentially big factor that might: high building costs.

The costs of building and developing properties, from land to labour, have skyrocketed. This could lead to a situation where projects are killed if the numbers don't add up, Shim says.

A study by construction cost consultancy Altus Helyar says development costs in Toronto increased by 8 per cent last year and are expected to increase by 8 per cent again this year.

If costs keep rising, Shim worries that Toronto could become another Miami, where projects have been shelved by developers who are worried that prices aren't sustainable.

Still, Shim, along with realtors such as Johnston, think the market still has a ways to go.

For one thing, if you want to live in affordable housing downtown, condos are it. Higher housing prices have shifted buyers into the condo market. Then there is another segment that is now actively choosing condominiums.

"It's not about living in condos because you can't afford a single detached home any more," Shim says. "More people want the convenience of living in a condominium and are willing to pay for it."

Unlike the bubbly 1980s, where condo prices crashed by 40 per cent, Shim says this time is different. Banks are more stringent, and developers typically have to pre-sell 60 to 70 per cent of their units before construction.

The market continues to benefit from both the first-time buyer and the move-up buyer, and will continue to be fuelled by the baby boomer who is downsizing, Johnston argues.

Meanwhile, price increases have been relatively benign in the condo market in the past, mainly because of a highly competitive market. Since the first quarter of 2003, the price per square foot for condos has remained relatively flat at $301. In the first quarter of this year, prices rose to $324.

Some investors believe the Toronto market has legs because it isn't Miami or New York, or even Vancouver, where prices have gone up considerably more, argues Israel Schwartz, who is considered one of the shrewdest wheelers and dealers in the market.

"There is no such thing as a first-time house buyer in the Toronto market any more," he says. "It's about being a first-time condo buyer, because most people don't have a choice if they want to live downtown. That's what's fuelling this."

Toronto developers have managed to boost their bottom line by building smaller units, but at an affordable price level for entry-level buyers, says Schwartz, who sees shrunken condos as an inevitability.

"Ten years ago, you paid $250,000 for a 900-square-foot place, and now you're getting 600 square feet for the same price," he says. "But at least you're getting your foot in the door."

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Yeah, a drive along the Gardiner shows just how many new condos are being raised! I haven't gotten out of renting yet.. and it is true that everyone wonders when I will just go out and get a condo. Seems everyone is doing it and rental buildings are trying to offer major incentives to attract people. Almost as if there really did seem to be a "lack" of renters recently.

I wonder how much of a percent of our condos / apartment rentals are available at any one time on average?
 
I'm still renting as well. I've been waiting for that "bubble" to bust for about 3 years now.

On the good side, I keep socking away money for the down payment. By the time the bubble bursts, I may have enough to just buy a place out-right!

My biggest issue with all the condos being built now is that they all have these immentities that I have no intention of using, and really don't want to pay for. I'd serious like to just pay for someone to sweep out the main entrance, clear the snow and vacuum the carpets. As for the Pool, gym, party room and bar, you can keep them.
 
^ Greg, there are plenty of smaller project in the market without all those amenities. All you have to do is look. It seems that on urbantoronto most of the discussion is about the larger projects, but there is a wide range of different condos and lofts on the market that should cater to most buyers needs.
 
Thanks for the heads up.

I've seen a few, actually, but have just been waiting from pulling the trigger for a number of reasons, among them the "fear" of the bubble bursting, the fact I'm travelling for work 5 days a week and my general inability to commit to large purchases.
 
In a few months I'll be making the move from the student ghetto to an actual appartment building. Regardless of the current affordability of new condos, I think that it would be a bad investment to purchase a condo when we are fairly certain that the prices will drop in the near future.

For now I am going to hold off on buying, and instead pay 600-800 a month to share an appartment with a friend. I have noticed lots of incentives lately such as free parking, free metropasses, or a few months access to the fitness centre. Can't go wrong with any of those.
 
Yeah Chuck, I mentioned running into the same sorts of offers. Even my old buildings, the illustrious Leaside Towers are offereing deals and discounts. One security guard there mentioned too that he thinks there is many vacant suites inside and management is worried, trying to fill them.
 
^ Really? How are those buildings? How is the neighbourhood? I would seriously contemplate moving there if I could find a decent 1 br at a reasonable price. I've always loved those buildings.
 
I think that it would be a bad investment to purchase a condo when we are fairly certain that the prices will drop in the near future.

What makes you so certain prices will drop? Construction costs are increasing significantly - so regardless of condo demand, those costs are going to remain high as many material costs are based on North American or Global markets (e.g. steel, cooper etc) rather than just Toronto. Labour costs are also increasing significantly and there is a serious shortage of skilled labour - that isn't likely to change, especially as Harper is now deporting skilled tradespersons, few young people are chosing construction as a career and demand is high not only in residential, but also ICI - that and Alberta is attracting a lot of tradespeople from Ontario and other provinces.

Land costs are also escalating as the number of developable sites downtown is dwindling. In the future rather than building on parking lots or easy to remove small structures, developers will have to undertake more and more demolitions of existing structures which can significantly add to costs. The most attractive brownfields are the first to be developed - as these are built on, the dirtier and more expensive to clean sites will start to be developed.

Also government initiatives such as the greenbelt and places to grow are causing land shortages which is driving prices up across the GTA. Land availability is a serious issue in most jurisdictions in southern Ontario. Which is making single family homes less affordable and causing a shift towards more affordable multi-family housing options such as condos.

Development charges are increasing and once the Act is opened up (likely second Liberal term) additional items will likely be added and 10-year service averages eliminated (thus increasing charges). Planning fees have been increasing in many municipalites by over 100% the past couple of years. Bill 124 is increasing the cost of doing business. There are also costly changes coming up for the Ontario Building Code and changes to IO status for WSIB premiums. All these government policy initiatives are adding up to tens of thousands of dollars of increases for new homes and condos.

So sure, demand for condos may drop, but as these changes make their way through the system there is only one direction for prices to go and that is up.
 
How are those buildings? How is the neighbourhood?

The Leaside Towers (85 / 95 Thorncliffe Park Drive) are in great shape! There's a walkway connecting the 2 buildings underground (B1 level) that also connects you to the Indoor Pool / Sauna / Whirlpool / Gym / Party Room / Tenet Usable Office building and the in-building (B1 level of 85) Convenience store. (At some point there is rumoured to be a hair salon opening in 95)

There is also a dry-cleaners located in building 95.

I loved being there, and in winter it was great to have the store on-site. (Larger than just a small tuck shop - and not accessible from outside)

As for the neighbourhood I had no problems at any time of day or night. There is a lot of people living here and Friday at around noon (prayer time) you'll notice a lot of cars parked near the beer store but nothing inconvenient or bothersome.

(My only complaint - no balconies)

Each room has its own AC/heat control and Fan speed too!

(Sorry that it sounds like I work there.. I just liked it - even though I could see my work from my bedroom window)

Plus you're right beside Leaside park and the bike trails.

Now, just over the bridge and crossing Don Mills you enter the Flemingdon area which you may have heard stories of but.. didn't affect anything.

Phew - done. Hope this post was ok
 
Thanks for the description, sounds like a great complex. Checked their website...bit out of my price range :(
 
Mike in TO, all those factors you mention are correct but they are all supply side issues. Resale stock will probably begin to dictate unit price in the next couple of years so developers will have to either reduce profits or shelve projects if faced by the mounting cost pressures you mention. The high end projects will all start to come on stream so their will be nothing left to squeeze buyers for in terms of cost per square foot.
 

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