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The Silly Argument Over BRT and Rail


May 25th, 2011

By Yonah Freemark

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Read More: http://www.thetransportpolitic.com/2011/05/25/the-silly-argument-over-brt-and-rail/

Referenced Articles: WSJ - Globe & Mail


As if operating in parallel, Toronto’s Globe and Mail and The Wall Street Journal each published articles last week describing the merits of bus rapid transit, which each newspaper described as the future of urban transportation. Both noted that BRT was cheaper to construct than rail lines. Each suggested that in an age of government pull backs and general skepticism over the value of public investment, BRT could offer substantial benefits to a transit system at a reasonable price. And each article concluded with a warning by rail proponents that buses wouldn’t be able to attract people out of their cars. This is a sensationalized opposition between two modes of transportation that should be thought of as complementary. There are advantages to improved bus service in some corridors, reasons to support rail in others.

- What is clear is that for the majority of American cities — excluding only a few in the Northeast — buses will remain the predominant mode of public transit for most riders, even after major expansions in train networks planned for cities from Charlotte to Phoenix. So even cities that choose to invest in rail projects must also spend on the improvement of their bus lines. Nor is the difference in costs between rail lines and BRT nearly as great as some would argue. The Journal article quotes Dennis Hinebaugh, head of a transportation center at the University of South Florida, saying “You can build up to 10 BRT lines for the cost of one light-rail line.†That might be true if you’re comparing a train operating entirely in its own right-of-way with a bus running in a lane painted on the street. But a streetcar is probably cheaper than a busway.

- The best argument for rail is that it has the ability to provide massive rush-hour passenger-carrying capacity without destroying the city through which it runs. Whether buried in a subway or operating quietly along in grassy medians, trains can be integrated into the public realm without diminishing the pedestrians-friendly qualities all urbanists should hope to encourage. BRT boosters often argue that their mode of choice can carry a similar number of riders, but neglect to mention that this is only possible when buses arrive every 10 seconds along highway-like four-lane corridors. These are conditions that destroy the walking environment.

- Fortunately for American cities looking to invest in new public transportation infrastructure, there are few places that demand the passenger-carrying capacity provided by those freeway-based BRT lines in places like Bogotá. In most metropolitan areas, a two-lane busway inserted on an arterial is perfectly appropriate and sometimes even beneficial for a city. Indeed, as we all know, the story that is too complicated for any mainstream paper to explain is that BRT can mean any number of things. The most rudimentary elements of BRT — the nice buses, the well-articulated stops, the traffic signal priority — are basics we should expect from all of our bus lines. Pushing for their implementation along certain corridors shouldn’t arouse much controversy. But these points are rarely discussed when the argument between modes are made.

- Better transit can come in many forms, but in a country in which the vast majority of people have no contact with public transportation this side of Disney World, making the argument for investments in more buses is difficult, to say the least. BRT is just not sexy until you’ve experienced it. Which is why the considerable success of BRT in South America has not convinced many U.S. cities to abandon their ambitions for more rail.

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where is the BRT line from the picture located?

It looks like a depressing street.
 
That article sounds like it makes a lot of arguments that technical minded people would make. I'm not arguing against BRT but the fact is that a hierarchy of desire and intent exists that matters more than moving units of passengers from A to B.

First, the heirarchy of desire puts bus transport below rail as a desirable means of transportation. To say this doesn't matter is to look blankly at everyone and ask why a Ferrari is more expensive than a used Pontiac Sunfire?

Second, there are secondary considerations to moving units of people from A to B that are actually more important than the transportation mode itself. For instance how temporary or permanent is this piece of infrastructure. Rail and subsurface infrastructure is more valuable because there is the sense or feeling that this infrastructure is more permanent (even if this is not actually the case or even if the BRT lasts just as long). This signals to communities and business people that they can go ahead and take advantage of the benefits of this piece of infrastructure. For instance you would be hard pressed to convince me to invest in an area on the basis of a future BRT. A subway on the other hand would be highly persuasive.

So BRT's are definately good investments and may be the most appropriate next step for suburban or low-density environments, but ultimately decisions are and perhapes rightly should (to the frustration of technical people) be made based on subjective feelings.
 
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Typical sensationalist anti-BRT garbage.

Streetcar is cheaper than a busway? Yeah I guess if the streetcar has no ROW and/or the busway is grade-separated, the streetcar could be less expensive.

Anyways, you don't need to look to Colombia or anywhere in South America to see the success of BRTs and buses - just look to Ottawa, which has the fourth highest transit ridership per capita of all metropolitan areas in US and Canada.
 
Anyways, you don't need to look to Columbia or anywhere in South America to see the problem with BRT's and buses - just look to Ottawa, where OC Transpo has commuters considering garotting themselves rather than try to cross town while dangling from a strap on a sardine-packed, lurching bendy-bus.

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Anyways, you don't need to look to Columbia or anywhere in South America to see the problem with BRT's and buses - just look to Ottawa, where OC Transpo has commuters considering garotting themselves rather than try to cross town while dangling from a strap on a sardine-packed, lurching bendy-bus.

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I lived in Ottawa for a few years and took the BRT from downtown out to Gloucester every day. It was great. Very fast and probably took about half the time that a regular bus route would take and every bit as fast and convenient as a Subway.
 
Anyways, you don't need to look to Columbia or anywhere in South America to see the problem with BRT's and buses - just look to Ottawa, where OC Transpo has commuters considering garotting themselves rather than try to cross town while dangling from a strap on a sardine-packed, lurching bendy-bus.

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If that were true, transit ridership in Ottawa would be decreasing, not increasing.
 
It is a shame that BRT's have been ignored in Toronto, lost in the debate over LRT's and Subways.

We have an enormous potential in this city if you take a look at the Hydro right-of-way corridors that crisscross the city.

For example there is a corridor that runs diagonally from the Toronto Zoo down to just below Eglinton and the DVP. A BRT route along this corridor could transport passengers from the outer reaches of Scarborough to Downtown in less than half the time it takes now by bus and subway.

Another corridor runs mostly parallel to Finch avenue. From about the Toronto Zoo in the east it runs west terminating in the vicinity of Pearson Airport! Why propose an LRT along congested Finch when a high speed alternative exists utilizing the Hydro right-of-way just a few blocks north?
 
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Typical sensationalist anti-BRT garbage.

Streetcar is cheaper than a busway? Yeah I guess if the streetcar has no ROW and/or the busway is grade-separated, the streetcar could be less expensive.

Anyways, you don't need to look to Colombia or anywhere in South America to see the success of BRTs and buses - just look to Ottawa, which has the fourth highest transit ridership per capita of all metropolitan areas in US and Canada.

Took the Transitway home from downtown today (I was down there for a conference). Left at 5pm, waited a whole 30 seconds for my bus, was home 30 minutes later (including a 5 minute wait for a transfer bus once I reached Baseline station). Pretty hard to argue with that. Oh, and I got a seat on the bus fyi.
 
Sure, there is "rail bias", but if you build BRT right, people won't shun it simply because it's a bus. Conversely, the United States is littered with cities where they built expensive rail projects - heavy rail projects, even - that nobody cares about or uses. Some of the worst examples: Miami, Buffalo, Cleveland...in these places living next to a rail station doesn't raise your property values or entice businesses to set up shop.

When it comes down to it, there are simply "transit-friendly cities" and "transit un-friendly cities" - places where people will consider taking transit, and places where people won't. The mode you supply will have little bearing on how people travel. Toronto is a transit-friendly city, so I'm pretty certain a BRT would be successful.
 
Sure, there is "rail bias", but if you build BRT right, people won't shun it simply because it's a bus. Conversely, the United States is littered with cities where they built expensive rail projects - heavy rail projects, even - that nobody cares about or uses. Some of the worst examples: Miami, Buffalo, Cleveland...in these places living next to a rail station doesn't raise your property values or entice businesses to set up shop.

When it comes down to it, there are simply "transit-friendly cities" and "transit un-friendly cities" - places where people will consider taking transit, and places where people won't. The mode you supply will have little bearing on how people travel. Toronto is a transit-friendly city, so I'm pretty certain a BRT would be successful.

I agree. I think that when you ask people what their number one reason for disliking buses is, it's usually "because it's so damn slow", not "because it's a bus".

I'm not saying rail bias doesn't exist, I'm just saying that people will still take a bus, as long as it gets them to where they want to go quickly. Part of the stigma with a bus is "well, the cars right beside me are going just as fast as I am, so I might as well be driving". If you're zipping past cars stuck in traffic, that mentality can change very quickly.
 
I think that when you ask people what their number one reason for disliking buses is, it's usually "because it's so damn slow", not "because it's a bus".
That's not the reaction I generally get. Normally, it's "because it's a bus". At least in a streetcar/bus context. Now that I'm almost exclusively using streetcars rather than buses, I'm noticing just how much more uncomfortable and jerky the bus rides are ...
 
It is a shame that BRT's have been ignored in Toronto, lost in the debate over LRT's and Subways.

We have an enormous potential in this city if you take a look at the Hydro right-of-way corridors that crisscross the city.

For example there is a corridor that runs diagonally from the Toronto Zoo down to just below Eglinton and the DVP. A BRT route along this corridor could transport passengers from the outer reaches of Scarborough to Downtown in less than half the time it takes now by bus and subway.

Another corridor runs mostly parallel to Finch avenue. From about the Toronto Zoo in the east it runs west terminating in the vicinity of Pearson Airport! Why propose an LRT along congested Finch when a high speed alternative exists utilizing the Hydro right-of-way just a few blocks north?

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We had this discussion last year after the opening of the Finch-York University transitway.
There are many potential locations where Bus transitways could be placed where they would interfere little with traffic while in construction and the cost would be a fraction of either light or heavy rail. I still think there are places where this could be the best option for rapid improvements.

While these routes may not be the best option for short convenient trips, I think it can be a useful tool for moving commuters between hubs.
 
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