From many posts on this and other threads on UT it is clear to me that many 'first time buyers' really "have no idea of what is going on". Of course, not everyone needs a lawyer but they ARE useful for MANY people - and, no, I am not a lawyer myself!
I agree with you that if someone is completely blind going into their first purchase and just can't understand the contract language (especially first time foreign buyers, well they no longer allow them temporarily for now at least), then it would be a good idea to have a lawyer to walkthrough the whole thing together. Usually though, most people do their due diligence very well (research, talking to family members/people they know etc.) before major purchase so they pretty much know all the key stuff, and in such cases lawyer's function is largely diminished. Also, Preconstruction condos is a number game for the builders so as long as most buyers for one building don't have issues with the APS, they won't budge anyways I feel.

I took some time to read some threads here, while I'm no expert in this stuff, it largely feels to me that vast majority of the problems me and many other people run into are outside of what the APS and condo act dictates anyways (e.g. builders taking advantage of gap/ambiguity in the current regulations), so sadly whether someone had a lawyer to review the APS or not would not have made anything different. The moment people signed that contract and it leaves the 10-day timeframe, they are stuck with whatever the developers decide to do.
 
Has anyone heard anything about the final closing yet? Also, should a change in the BOC rate affect occupancy fees, I would think so. Will the builder pay interest for our deposit using the same 7% rate at closing?
 
Has anyone heard anything about the final closing yet? Also, should a change in the BOC rate affect occupancy fees, I would think so. Will the builder pay interest for our deposit using the same 7% rate at closing?
Not for this building but I'm a home owner in another one of Pemberton's new build (social condo). I didn't bother in my case and I closed last week at least, so I only paid 1 month worth of 0.1% extra.
Technically it should and it is worth trying (ask your lawyer to send an email to the builder's lawyer), but knowing Pemberton always be prepared for an excuse why they cannot make the change.

Also worth noting is that depending on the overall amount you are paying, 0.1% change in the 1-year BOC rate will unlikely make any substantial differences for a few months. So think about if you want to go through the hassle with a rude builder and their extremely rude lawyer, or just eat the cost.
 
Any updates on closing? What is the best variable rate right now? Thanks
Silence, that is ridiculous how long they make people pay those outrageous occupancy fees, they better give some back as it has been reduced rate already for a few months.
Also what are critical dates, wonder if they already passed those and should compensate as well. I bought a unit in 2017, lol.
 
Silence, that is ridiculous how long they make people pay those outrageous occupancy fees, they better give some back as it has been reduced rate already for a few months.
Also what are critical dates, wonder if they already passed those and should compensate as well. I bought a unit in 2017, lol.
I heard they are now closing Spring 2025.
 
I created this account specifically to share my experience with this building, where I rented from fall 2023 to fall 2024. In hindsight, renting a pre-construction was a mistake that came with several consequences I won’t go into, but instead focus my criticisms here on issues that seem unlikely to improve, even once construction is finished. While most of these are personal experiences, many are echoed by others in the residents’ Facebook group.
  • Poor workmanship:
    • Uneven caulking, with hardened beads of caulk in random places in the shower.
    • Chipped paint on window frames; the PDI response to this was to spray-paint over the bare spots, but the results still looked unprofessional.
    • Several electrical socket covers and the thermostat were painted over (no, this wasn’t my landlord).
    • Bulkheads are not square, I could see one from my bed that is egregiously off from a right angle
    • Numerous reports of kitchen sinks detaching and collapsing.
  • Design Flaws:
    • The front closet door opened directly into the tension mechanism of the main door and therefore could never fully open.
    • HVAC issues across multiple units, with undersized fan-coil units unable to adequately regulate air flow. In my unit, the bedroom basically did not receive air at all, and no amount of balancing could fix it. Concerns had also been raised in the building about corridor temperature regulation and overall chiller capacity.
    • The parking garage is mostly above-ground in the middle of the building, so one can walk directly into the garage on the 7th floor, for example. The CO alarms at garage entryways are extremely loud and cannot be silenced, so most residents on those floors can hear it clearly from within their units—sometimes for hours, such as during garage cleaning (gasoline power washers).
    • With however many units across four towers, the fire alarm system is shared, meaning frequent alarms are likely
    • The elevator rooms on the main floor have a single door, forcing incoming and outgoing passengers to wait awkwardly for each other, leading to missed elevators.
    • Soundproofing between units and corridors is minimal. Noise travels easily through the long, straight hallways (which are the length of the full block, Front->Esplanade), making even distant sounds clearly audible.
    • Each tower has a different coloured carpet motif in front of the elevators. You can imagine the issues with a yellow carpet in the most trafficked part of the building
    • The entry doors are very narrow and the flow doesn’t make any sense. The entry fobs were never operational when I lived there but there would be no good way to hold the fob in one hand and open the door with the other, given the direction of the door opening and the location of the fob reader
    • The gym does not have any free weights, I suspect because it is on the 11th floor and there would be noise concerns (dropping weights)
  • Staff:
    • FirstService Residential (previously Crossbridge) management was approachable in person, but overall lacked proactivity. This may change once the building is complete and they have more control, but during my time, basic tasks were often neglected:
      • The CybersuiteX platform they use didn’t seem to function at all. Residents have suggested management revert to email for communication, but this hasn’t happened. Infuriatingly, all mass communications from management come through the app (if it was working that day), yet messages to management must be sent via email and they do not monitor their in-app inbox.
      • They are a large team and share a common email inbox. They can't seem to identify building-wide patterns, as any 4 complaints may be received and responded to by any 4 different staff members working out of 4 separate physical offices.
      • Security was inconsistent, often bypassing protocols. For example, the enterphone system wasn’t operational, and security required residents to call them directly to announce guests, which could easily allow unauthorized visitors.
In short, I wouldn’t recommend living in this building. Of course, it wasn’t all bad, and this is only my experience. The Pemberton customer care staff are endlessly patient but they’re fighting an uphill battle for a company that seems not to care. While property value will surely rise with the new Ontario Line station, the living conditions are far from ideal. I couldn’t see any light at the end of the tunnel, so I moved.
 
I created this account specifically to share my experience with this building, where I rented from fall 2023 to fall 2024. In hindsight, renting a pre-construction was a mistake that came with several consequences I won’t go into, but instead focus my criticisms here on issues that seem unlikely to improve, even once construction is finished. While most of these are personal experiences, many are echoed by others in the residents’ Facebook group.
  • Poor workmanship:
    • Uneven caulking, with hardened beads of caulk in random places in the shower.
    • Chipped paint on window frames; the PDI response to this was to spray-paint over the bare spots, but the results still looked unprofessional.
    • Several electrical socket covers and the thermostat were painted over (no, this wasn’t my landlord).
    • Bulkheads are not square, I could see one from my bed that is egregiously off from a right angle
    • Numerous reports of kitchen sinks detaching and collapsing.
  • Design Flaws:
    • The front closet door opened directly into the tension mechanism of the main door and therefore could never fully open.
    • HVAC issues across multiple units, with undersized fan-coil units unable to adequately regulate air flow. In my unit, the bedroom basically did not receive air at all, and no amount of balancing could fix it. Concerns had also been raised in the building about corridor temperature regulation and overall chiller capacity.
    • The parking garage is mostly above-ground in the middle of the building, so one can walk directly into the garage on the 7th floor, for example. The CO alarms at garage entryways are extremely loud and cannot be silenced, so most residents on those floors can hear it clearly from within their units—sometimes for hours, such as during garage cleaning (gasoline power washers).
    • With however many units across four towers, the fire alarm system is shared, meaning frequent alarms are likely
    • The elevator rooms on the main floor have a single door, forcing incoming and outgoing passengers to wait awkwardly for each other, leading to missed elevators.
    • Soundproofing between units and corridors is minimal. Noise travels easily through the long, straight hallways (which are the length of the full block, Front->Esplanade), making even distant sounds clearly audible.
    • Each tower has a different coloured carpet motif in front of the elevators. You can imagine the issues with a yellow carpet in the most trafficked part of the building
    • The entry doors are very narrow and the flow doesn’t make any sense. The entry fobs were never operational when I lived there but there would be no good way to hold the fob in one hand and open the door with the other, given the direction of the door opening and the location of the fob reader
    • The gym does not have any free weights, I suspect because it is on the 11th floor and there would be noise concerns (dropping weights)
  • Staff:
    • FirstService Residential (previously Crossbridge) management was approachable in person, but overall lacked proactivity. This may change once the building is complete and they have more control, but during my time, basic tasks were often neglected:
      • The CybersuiteX platform they use didn’t seem to function at all. Residents have suggested management revert to email for communication, but this hasn’t happened. Infuriatingly, all mass communications from management come through the app (if it was working that day), yet messages to management must be sent via email and they do not monitor their in-app inbox.
      • They are a large team and share a common email inbox. They can't seem to identify building-wide patterns, as any 4 complaints may be received and responded to by any 4 different staff members working out of 4 separate physical offices.
      • Security was inconsistent, often bypassing protocols. For example, the enterphone system wasn’t operational, and security required residents to call them directly to announce guests, which could easily allow unauthorized visitors.
In short, I wouldn’t recommend living in this building. Of course, it wasn’t all bad, and this is only my experience. The Pemberton customer care staff are endlessly patient but they’re fighting an uphill battle for a company that seems not to care. While property value will surely rise with the new Ontario Line station, the living conditions are far from ideal. I couldn’t see any light at the end of the tunnel, so I moved.
my tenants seem happy living there, in building A. I guess it is a big building and lots of good and bad experiences.
 
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I created this account specifically to share my experience with this building, where I rented from fall 2023 to fall 2024. In hindsight, renting a pre-construction was a mistake that came with several consequences I won’t go into, but instead focus my criticisms here on issues that seem unlikely to improve, even once construction is finished. While most of these are personal experiences, many are echoed by others in the residents’ Facebook group.
  • Poor workmanship:
    • Uneven caulking, with hardened beads of caulk in random places in the shower.
    • Chipped paint on window frames; the PDI response to this was to spray-paint over the bare spots, but the results still looked unprofessional.
    • Several electrical socket covers and the thermostat were painted over (no, this wasn’t my landlord).
    • Bulkheads are not square, I could see one from my bed that is egregiously off from a right angle
    • Numerous reports of kitchen sinks detaching and collapsing.
  • Design Flaws:
    • The front closet door opened directly into the tension mechanism of the main door and therefore could never fully open.
    • HVAC issues across multiple units, with undersized fan-coil units unable to adequately regulate air flow. In my unit, the bedroom basically did not receive air at all, and no amount of balancing could fix it. Concerns had also been raised in the building about corridor temperature regulation and overall chiller capacity.
    • The parking garage is mostly above-ground in the middle of the building, so one can walk directly into the garage on the 7th floor, for example. The CO alarms at garage entryways are extremely loud and cannot be silenced, so most residents on those floors can hear it clearly from within their units—sometimes for hours, such as during garage cleaning (gasoline power washers).
    • With however many units across four towers, the fire alarm system is shared, meaning frequent alarms are likely
    • The elevator rooms on the main floor have a single door, forcing incoming and outgoing passengers to wait awkwardly for each other, leading to missed elevators.
    • Soundproofing between units and corridors is minimal. Noise travels easily through the long, straight hallways (which are the length of the full block, Front->Esplanade), making even distant sounds clearly audible.
    • Each tower has a different coloured carpet motif in front of the elevators. You can imagine the issues with a yellow carpet in the most trafficked part of the building
    • The entry doors are very narrow and the flow doesn’t make any sense. The entry fobs were never operational when I lived there but there would be no good way to hold the fob in one hand and open the door with the other, given the direction of the door opening and the location of the fob reader
    • The gym does not have any free weights, I suspect because it is on the 11th floor and there would be noise concerns (dropping weights)
  • Staff:
    • FirstService Residential (previously Crossbridge) management was approachable in person, but overall lacked proactivity. This may change once the building is complete and they have more control, but during my time, basic tasks were often neglected:
      • The CybersuiteX platform they use didn’t seem to function at all. Residents have suggested management revert to email for communication, but this hasn’t happened. Infuriatingly, all mass communications from management come through the app (if it was working that day), yet messages to management must be sent via email and they do not monitor their in-app inbox.
      • They are a large team and share a common email inbox. They can't seem to identify building-wide patterns, as any 4 complaints may be received and responded to by any 4 different staff members working out of 4 separate physical offices.
      • Security was inconsistent, often bypassing protocols. For example, the enterphone system wasn’t operational, and security required residents to call them directly to announce guests, which could easily allow unauthorized visitors.
In short, I wouldn’t recommend living in this building. Of course, it wasn’t all bad, and this is only my experience. The Pemberton customer care staff are endlessly patient but they’re fighting an uphill battle for a company that seems not to care. While property value will surely rise with the new Ontario Line station, the living conditions are far from ideal. I couldn’t see any light at the end of the tunnel, so I moved.
I have friends dealing with similar issues, as are most of the residents from what I hear. My friend showed me their Facebook page and FB chat threads, it's insane how bad the building is in its construction quality and customer care. The fact that it's also one condo corporation, for 1,600+ units is mind boggling. 5 years down the road it's likely going to get worse.
 
I have friends dealing with similar issues, as are most of the residents from what I hear. My friend showed me their Facebook page and FB chat threads, it's insane how bad the building is in its construction quality and customer care. The fact that it's also one condo corporation, for 1,600+ units is mind boggling. 5 years down the road it's likely going to get worse.
New building with still-unfinished construction and they are working on ironing out issues, my unit has pretty good finishes and craftsmanship, I did not have much to report on PDI. You can see plenty of walkthrough units on YouTube. I am in that facebook group, It is created for the purposes of posting issues and seeing if someone has a solution, did you expect it to be full of happy feedbacks, people just don't do it. Anyway from my experience, it is average to above the average condo building in Toronto.
 
The west facing units, if high enough, has an incredible view of the CN tower and downtown. Was it a lot more expensive than the east side during the pre-con sales? I cannot remember... I am regretting I did not get the west one.
 
The west facing units, if high enough, has an incredible view of the CN tower and downtown. Was it a lot more expensive than the east side during the pre-con sales? I cannot remember... I am regretting I did not get the west one.
If the unit view was clearing the building in front of it, it was definitely more expensive, don't have the exact numbers, around 900psft, you would now be at or below resale prices.
 
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