Tunafish13
Active Member
That doesnt seem like nearly enough, considering it'll be running basically the same distance as line 2, and they run 46 trains
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That doesnt seem like nearly enough, considering it'll be running basically the same distance as line 2, and they run 46 trains
Tuscani01
Senior Member
Glass is going up at Don Mills. There was even more up this morning as I drove by.
north-of-anything
Active Member
34 might be not enough, but another possibility for 2021 is 0 trains.
Amare
Senior Member
All of these numbers are woefully inadequate with the exception of the Sheppard Line (Line 4). The fact that they plan on running 18 trains along 19km of rail on Eglinton vs 15 trains on 11km of rail, tells everyone all they need to know about how flawed their fleet management plan is.
The streetcar numbers as we know are already inadequate and are far below what's required to meet demand. I have no idea how they plan on running 214 streetcars by 2024 as procurement isnt anywhere close to being tendered. Even if Bombardier was once again picked to manufacture additional streetcars, that would be a near impossible timeline to meet as they would have to get their supply chains in order again and we can see how well that worked out for them the first time around.
Now if we look at the bus fleet plan that's a bigger joke on it's own. They plan on increasing the number of buses in service only by 10 between 2020 and 2021. This wouldnt even be enough to cover the overcrowding issues on even 3 out of the dozens of routes that are overcrowded. The increase between 2021 and 2022 of 32 buses is cute, especially considering that fact that it looks more unlikely by the day that the Eglinton LRT will be open by the end of 2021. So whatever buses that would have been freed up there will most likely be sticking around there longer, thus the net impact of those 32 additional buses will shrink dramatically.
The Yonge-University (Line 1) plan deserves it's own special post because the numbers there are based off of a few assumptions, while the fact that they plan on keeping supply on the Bloor-Danforth line stagnant at 46 trains until 2024 at the same time that demand continues to increase is just outright questionable (and i'm putting that kindly).
TheTigerMaster
Superstar
Won’t win any architectural awards, but it’s decent
Allandale25
Senior Member
Shows the bus routes that'll connect to the Crosstown LRT.
Tunafish13
Active Member
Im assuming that the red highlighted lines are either updated or plan on pulling into the station, and the grey lines will likely stop nearby but no other route changes?
Also, why are they still running the 34 along Eglinton even after the crosstown is complete, isnt that redundant?
JSF-1
Active Member
Fill in the gaps between the stations since there is wider stop spacing along that stretch. Same reason why the 97 is a thing.
Hopkins123
Senior Member
"Subway" is a euphemism for grade separated transit in general. There are worse things to gripe about than this.
Monarch Butterfly
Superstar
Doug Ford has a very limited vocabulary, since he skipped so many high school classses.
innsertnamehere
Superstar
"metro" might be the better term in this case.
Steve X
Senior Member
If the two LRTs are identical, you would be right. Yes they should run more trains, especially in the subway portion. It's not really that flawed. Line 5 will operate with ATO at 80 km/h for two thirds of the line while Line 6 will operate at 50-60 km/h. The running time for Line 5 is around 40-45 minutes while Line 6 is around 30-35 minutes. 18 vs 15 trains make sense. Plus current bus ridership on the surface portion of Line 5 is lower than Line 6.
They did say the improvements won't happen if the LRT doesn't open in 2021.
You'll be surprise how busy the 85 is along Line 4 in peak hours. Subway isn't the solution to everything.
TRONto
Active Member
Only reason this needs to be said was he called the Scarborough LRT proposal a streetcar and he said it was terrible because it was not a subway.
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TransitBart
Senior Member
I did the same math. 17 seems absurd.
Amare
Senior Member
They can run the trains at 100km/h underground if they want for all we care, that doesnt make a lick of difference if the average speed of the line is still below the Bloor-Danforth Line. There's clearly something wrong if you're running 44+ trains on Line 2 vs 18 trains on Line 5. And they'll find that out the hard way if they stick to that plan by opening day (whenever that day will be).