WislaHD said:
According to that KWT tweet, that is 75,823 sf of non-residential use. I imagine the bulk of that coming from the 24-storey office tower.
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That doesn't make any sense. At ~22 storeys (minus ground and another floor for good measure), that's only ~3400sf / storey. A *small* office plate is 15k / storey...
 
ProjectEnd said:
That doesn't make any sense. At ~22 storeys (minus ground and another floor for good measure), that's only ~3400sf / storey. A *small* office plate is 15k / storey...
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22 usable floors, with a likely floor plate btw 15,000-25,000ft2 gives you 330,000ft2 to 550,000ft2.

If that was non-residential, so including retail, across all towers..............

Maybe that would make sense if it were 75823m2 which would be ~700000ft2.

Take out the office and you have ~150,000-370000ft2 of retail. (seems heavy......)
 
ProjectEnd said:
That doesn't make any sense. At ~22 storeys (minus ground and another floor for good measure), that's only ~3400sf / storey. A *small* office plate is 15k / storey...
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Northern Light said:
22 usable floors, with a likely floor plate btw 15,000-25,000ft2 gives you 330,000ft2 to 550,000ft2.

If that was non-residential, so including retail, across all towers..............

Maybe that would make sense if it were 75823m2 which would be ~700000ft2.

Take out the office and you have ~150,000-370000ft2 of retail. (seems heavy......)
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Hmm, well that certainly adds speculation about a large library and other community uses elsewhere on this site!
 
WislaHD said:
Hmm, well that certainly adds speculation about a large library and other community uses elsewhere on this site!
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Library is contemplated at 25000ft2 last I heard.

That's the standard for a District-class branch.

But if you add a First Parliament museum/interpretive space that number could go up a bit.
 
ProjectEnd said:
I would say that "75,823sf" potentially misses a 0? 758,230sf is closer to reality, but seems way too precise for a press release.
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The City already received the development application apparently, it's just not updated on their portal. Perhaps the number was taken directly from the application.

I think the number is either missing a 0 or was supposed to be in sqm and was an oversight by one of the Councilor's staffers.
 
evandyk said:
Don't they need the site for quite a few years to stage Ontario Line construction equipment? The subway station there won't be ready before 2030 anyways.
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Sure. However, it's comical that it'll take until 2041 or so to have this place developed lol. It's such a "Toronto" thing to do.
 
Allandale25 said:
^ I believe it does because these community groups are reacting to this: https://www.infrastructureontario.ca/Corktown-Transit-Oriented-Community/

But I'd be interested in @DSC @Northern Light 's thoughts. I'll delete if it's not relevant.
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Not sure my opinion is any better than anyone else's but I would say it IS relevant to note here that the First Parliament site is not the only one affected by the Ontario Line (though I think any discussion of the other sites would NOT be appropriate here).
 
There's a report to the Executive Ctte Mtg on April 29th, which includes an attachment in reference to the concepts the province has in mind for this site.

Report here: https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2021/ex/bgrd/backgroundfile-165933.pdf

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Attachment Link: https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2021/ex/bgrd/backgroundfile-166004.pdf
 
Northern Light said:
There's a report to the Executive Ctte Mtg on April 29th, which includes an attachment in reference to the concepts the province has in mind for this site.

Report here: https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2021/ex/bgrd/backgroundfile-165933.pdf

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Attachment Link: https://www.toronto.ca/legdocs/mmis/2021/ex/bgrd/backgroundfile-166004.pdf
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These are what was shown at the Open House last week but the text is quite 'revealing" - I can see Metrolinx wants to go 'full-steam ahead" and to hell with any Master plan talk!
 
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mcornett said:
I’m not usually the one to say this, but I think the province’s plan makes good sense. This will be next to a subway station and density needs to be very high. I might even push the towers taller if it frees up more space for parkland. It’s also hard to see how there would be any legitimate objections - the site is empty, surrounded by primarily commercial / institutional properties, and is relatively close to downtown. As long as there is sufficient community space / affordable housing and the design isn’t crap, I say go bonkers.
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The site is empty because it's one of the most significant blocks in the city, assembled into public hands for years. New subway stations don't always need new development to make sense. Sometimes an area that's already dense (and in the case of this area, growing fast) just needs rapid transit. The Ontario Line will have very strong ridership from day one. Sacrificing the first parliament site is completely unnecessary.
 
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