Ramako
Moderator
Oh look, this debate again. Awesome.
SP!RE
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In fairness, it's worthy of discussion. Respect for animals as well as humans is an integral part of creating a sustainable city.
I do think that instead of mods kicking these (important) discussions out of threads, that threads should be created in Toronto Issues for each of these discussions. (i.e. The Glass Towers debate; FLAP Program/ Bird protection debate; etc. etc.).
I do think that instead of mods kicking these (important) discussions out of threads, that threads should be created in Toronto Issues for each of these discussions. (i.e. The Glass Towers debate; FLAP Program/ Bird protection debate; etc. etc.).
taal
Senior Member
Sorry for the re-post (of the picture) but where was this taken from exactly ?
AlbertC
Superstar
^ From Taddle Creek Park at Bedford & Lowther in the Annex. The revitalization of the park looks great.
SP!RE
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Does it ever! I love that photo too... the diversity of architecture in its background and the intriguing "jug" statue in the park are very interesting.
junctionist
Senior Member
FLAP is an important concern, but I agree that architectural lighting is critical because the character of our city is lost at night without architectural lighting. Historic buildings should always be lit up, but most are not. A lot of buildings have architectural lighting that has been switched off or completely neglected. Some historic buildings have ugly orange lighting from the 1970s that should be modernized.
Danny Crispin
Banned
I find it hard to believe that just because the birds head to the lake, that they only fly over downtown. Wouldn't the ones in the east end, and west of downtown, avoid the highrises in the core?
And what would prevent building owners/landlords from turning exterior lighting off, or dimming it, during migration season? It makes no sense for our buildings to be unlit, at all times, because of an event that lasts a few weeks a year. You're right about the character of the city being lost at night. Toronto is utterly depressing at night, in my opinion. The dark buildings and streets give the city a cold, sometimes, eerie feeling. It's pathetic that a building like Old City Hall isn't adorned with decorative lighting. How did we go from caring so much about architecture, aesthetics, and our general public realm, to almost entire neglect? What makes this city so exclusively uninterested in its own image? Sorry for the rant--I'm just sick of the indifference to such things. And when lighting is suggested for our older buildings, and office towers/hotels, etc. people always find some excuse to justify our collective apathy. If it's not FLAP, then there's the 'light pollution'--'we can't see the stars' reason--as well as. You can barely see the stars in the suburbs either. That's part of living in a city. I guess our general obsessive energy saving attitude plays a role as well... Like lighting up our buildings will unleash the destructive force of Mount St. Helens into our atmosphere.
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marsh
Active Member
While I want our buildings and city to be aesthetic pleasing and interesting, I also think it has to be balanced with other concerns. I don't want birds needlessly dying - they're important to our ecosystem and "light pollution" isn't only about not seeing the stars at night - its wastefuly of energy and all the ambient lighting at night isn't good - it throws off our natural body rythms. I have to have blackout curtains at night to in order for my room to be dark because there is so much light on the street from street lamps, buildings, electric bill boards, traffic etc. Frankly I think the Four Seasons is one of the few new towers that really lived up to its hype (there a few things I think they could have done better - but overall its impressive, elegant building - and I don't think having it lit up at night would really add anything more.
current
Active Member
January 25
someMidTowner
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The faux-ntain looks pretty good with those snowy accents
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gabe
Guest
It's such a dark gloomy entrance. Hopefully in the summer the flowers and plants will brighten the place up a little.
Conrad Black
Senior Member
Finally the fountain is wet 
Redlom
New Member
No qualms with the towers...
...but really, has there ever been a less-appealing entry to a high end property? No proportion, no grace, no sensibility to basic human aesthetic values. Even more off-putting is that the whole space is illogical. That awning does nothing to protect guests (as the photo with rain above shows), and the space - though ostensibly a piazza where guests could be admired and admire - is utterly unwelcoming.
Pathetic.
...but really, has there ever been a less-appealing entry to a high end property? No proportion, no grace, no sensibility to basic human aesthetic values. Even more off-putting is that the whole space is illogical. That awning does nothing to protect guests (as the photo with rain above shows), and the space - though ostensibly a piazza where guests could be admired and admire - is utterly unwelcoming.
Pathetic.
Xray_Crystal_Junkie
Senior Member
That seems a bit much. And how does the awning not protect guests? From wind?
Not quite fair to expect the place to be that warm and inviting when it's that cold and snowy. It could use some planters at the front door perhaps and maybe we'll see some in the summer.
Not quite fair to expect the place to be that warm and inviting when it's that cold and snowy. It could use some planters at the front door perhaps and maybe we'll see some in the summer.
vegeta_skyline
Senior Member
Impressive. It would most certainly take a rather powerful bomb to significantly damage that bunker.