[drum118]

Following up on @Dan416 posting, took a quick drive today to have a look at the corridor before going to where I was to go. Was told the southbound would open when John St was pave by the white hats as there was still clearing to be done as well a number of other things. I guess the coming snow storm change that plan. Only one lane is open as well the new northbound lane to allow the removal of the asphalt where the guideway is to go on both side of Fairview whit 2 crews doing the work.

The area for the missing curb at the substation is paved with the sidewalk with the sidewalk acting as the curb.

From the CP bridge to Hillcrest, the southbound lane waiting to be pave with a trap on the area. The 2 other corners are not trap.

Crew looks like they are cleaning up the close lane for the northbound lanes to open those close off lanes.

The northbound lanes between the Queensway and North service Rd is also trap that is ready for paving.

From Paisley to the Queensway, southbound curb and sidewalk is being remove.

Fail to note the Burnhamthorpe station platform is framed and waiting for concrete to be pour for it.

Don't know why the curb lanes are still close for the 403 overpass as well on both sides of it as it been ready for weeks to be open.

Watch a batch of students crossing the tracks at Bristol to get to McD and the plaza as there is no centre barriers there.

As for traffic light, yellow is the name of the game with black for cycles and transit.

As for Steeles station, ML needs to do something fast to allow Mobilinx to build it on the north side with money to do so, otherwise we will have another Burnhamthorpe mess on our hands. Lack of funds and Mobilinx sticking to its contract, the Burnhamthorpe wye did not happen as stated by Mobilinx since 2020 to early 2024 who said it would happen. The same applies to Steeles.

@just east of the creek, there will be no bike lanes on the Lakeshore as there there is a bike path south of the road as part of the Marin Goodmen Trail right across Mississauga Waterfront.

@Admiral Beez , As for opening, that is in another posting to follow as well more detail of the corridor with late 2026-2028 as a timeframe

 

[JJTheJetPln]

It’s strange that despite Mississauga re-adopting black signal heads for their traffic signals, the ones being installed along Line 10 appear to be all-yellow.

I think I would chalk that up to whatever was suggested during the RFQ/RFP process, and procurement after the contract was awarded. It was more than likely ordered months if not years ahead of time and just sitting on a shop shelf before being ready to roll out. They may not have the finances to suddenly say, "Hey, we'd like you to change these signal heads to this colour and style now." Revisions can easily be done, but it comes down to how much money they have for revisions, and how much they've burned already with other aspects of the project.

It’s interesting that work around Brampton Gateway is so behind – there was so much time to make the minor change to move the stop back to the north side of Steeles as requested many times by Brampton (once they got a sensible council again) and even RioCan.

I had opined quite a few posts back that the Brampton section of the LRT will be stalled until the 407 work is fully completed. The road widening and utility relocation has been completed for the most part. There may be some more utility relocating that needs to occur based on the storage section northbound just after the 407/Hurontario that is filled with pipes and such, but I have yet to see that stock go down.

Regarding the change of the stop, I have no clue what they're doing in this regard. I'd spoken to @drum118 about it, and we're both hearing conflicting stories. Early on when utility relocation was happening, they had intended to have the stop on the north side of Hurontario/Steeles - They relocated utilities and widened the roads - My opinion on this is they wouldn't have had to widen the roads or relocate utilities Northbound past Steeles if they weren't planning on putting the stop there. It was just wasted money in the process at that point.

I think that if someone here has a contact within Mobilinx or Metrolinx, it would be good to seek clarification on what changes are happening with the HMLRT. I doubt any of the Brampton councillors will know anything about what I'm talking about.

 

[drum118]

I think I would chalk that up to whatever was suggested during the RFQ/RFP process, and procurement after the contract was awarded. It was more than likely ordered months if not years ahead of time and just sitting on a shop shelf before being ready to roll out. They may not have the finances to suddenly say, "Hey, we'd like you to change these signal heads to this colour and style now." Revisions can easily be done, but it comes down to how much money they have for revisions, and how much they've burned already with other aspects of the project.


I had opined quite a few posts back that the Brampton section of the LRT will be stalled until the 407 work is fully completed. The road widening and utility relocation has been completed for the most part. There may be some more utility relocating that needs to occur based on the storage section northbound just after the 407/Hurontario that is filled with pipes and such, but I have yet to see that stock go down.

Regarding the change of the stop, I have no clue what they're doing in this regard. I'd spoken to @drum118 about it, and we're both hearing conflicting stories. Early on when utility relocation was happening, they had intended to have the stop on the north side of Hurontario/Steeles - They relocated utilities and widened the roads - My opinion on this is they wouldn't have had to widen the roads or relocate utilities Northbound past Steeles if they weren't planning on putting the stop there. It was just wasted money in the process at that point.

I think that if someone here has a contact within Mobilinx or Metrolinx, it would be good to seek clarification on what changes are happening with the HMLRT. I doubt any of the Brampton councillors will know anything about what I'm talking about.

The City person looking after all the RT projects in the city has stated a few weeks ago along with the City manager who was Commissioner of Transportation early this year that the Steeles station is still on the south side. Council has request twice so far to have someone from ML to appear before them to provide them with an update of the project as well a timeline for getting the loop built.

Mobilinx contract calls for the Steeles station on the southside as well straight track for Burnhamthorpe intersection, they they were prepared to do the wye until this year when things went off the rail with ML.

I have spoken to people at the Dundas Community office about a number of things and they have said they have no information on them or couldn't provide it without clearance from HQ.

As I stated, the 407 work has nothing to do not doing any work north of it and has been a make work area for years.

No one here will get info about the project before council gets it. Even my ward councilor who is on the CLC for the corridor has told me a few days ago he gets to no info even outside CLC meetings. The councilor even stated that Mobilinx and ML are marching to their beat and leaving out of the picture.

 

[Dan416]

I think I would chalk that up to whatever was suggested during the RFQ/RFP process, and procurement after the contract was awarded. It was more than likely ordered months if not years ahead of time and just sitting on a shop shelf before being ready to roll out. They may not have the finances to suddenly say, "Hey, we'd like you to change these signal heads to this colour and style now." Revisions can easily be done, but it comes down to how much money they have for revisions, and how much they've burned already with other aspects of the project.

A few years ago, after they had started the testing for the new standard (and even chosen it), they installed old-style signals along the Mavis Rd widening (south of 407 to Derry or so) and I asked the city why that was. They said something along the lines of what you mentioned above. Which made sense.

But for Hurontario to get new traffic lights with the old standard I'm shocked.

 

[ShonTron]

A few years ago, after they had started the testing for the new standard (and even chosen it), they installed old-style signals along the Mavis Rd widening (south of 407 to Derry or so) and I asked the city why that was. They said something along the lines of what you mentioned above. Which made sense.

But for Hurontario to get new traffic lights with the old standard I'm shocked.

So you know what I’m talking about! Mississauga had that standard in the Town of Mississauga days and into the early City era. Hamilton always had it; Waterloo Region does it now, as does Sudbury and Sault Ste. Marie.

 

[nfitz]

So you know what I’m talking about! Mississauga had that standard in the Town of Mississauga days and into the early City era. Hamilton always had it; Waterloo Region does it now, as does Sudbury and Sault Ste. Marie.

Today I learned that there was ever a "Town of Mississauga"! It was an earlier merger that lasted from 1968 to 1974, when it was merged with the rest to form the city! I was only aware of the 1974 merger.

Surely though, Hurontario has never been the jurisdiction of Cooksville, the city, or the town. But has always been either the province or the region?

 

[Wm Perkins Bull]

Today I learned that there was ever a "Town of Mississauga"! It was an earlier merger that lasted from 1968 to 1974, when it was merged with the rest to form the city! I was only aware of the 1974 merger.

Surely though, Hurontario has never been the jurisdiction of Cooksville, the city, or the town. But has always been either the province or the region?

The Town of Mississauga was just a renaming of Toronto Township, not an amalgamation.

None of Hurontario/Main is a Regional Road, nor can I remember a time when any part of it was, when it was downloaded it was transferred to the lower tier municipalities. The section between underpass at Port Credit GO and Burnhamthorpe was transferred to the Town of Mississauga in 1970. You can learn more about it here https://www.thekingshighway.ca/Highway10.htm

 

[JJTheJetPln]

A few years ago, after they had started the testing for the new standard (and even chosen it), they installed old-style signals along the Mavis Rd widening (south of 407 to Derry or so) and I asked the city why that was. They said something along the lines of what you mentioned above. Which made sense.

But for Hurontario to get new traffic lights with the old standard I'm shocked.

Yeah I'm not quite sure what was going on in that regard. I won't claim to know anything about Mississauga since I moved away when I turned 4 years old lol. I just use my experience in trades as logic for why that may have happened. I suppose they'll change it eventually so everything looks the same.

 

[nfitz]

The Town of Mississauga was just a renaming of Toronto Township, not an amalgamation.

Ah, less extensive than I thought. Digging deeper though, it did amalgamate Malton fully into the Township government.

None of Hurontario/Main is a Regional Road, nor can I remember a time when any part of it was, when it was downloaded it was transferred to the lower tier municipalities. The section between underpass at Port Credit GO and Burnhamthorpe was transferred to the Town of Mississauga in 1970. You can learn more about it here https://www.thekingshighway.ca/Highway10.htm

Gosh ... I hadn't realized that!

How bizarre - it's certainly looks odd when I look at the Peel road map! My apologies; I'll correct my post.

 

[Dan416]

So you know what I’m talking about! Mississauga had that standard in the Town of Mississauga days and into the early City era. Hamilton always had it; Waterloo Region does it now, as does Sudbury and Sault Ste. Marie.

Yes.

There's a relatively recent example at Central Pkwy and Achill Crescent.

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Whereas here we can see what I am guessing is the old old standard that you're referring to, which I also vaguely remember seeing around more often in my childhood. The picture is from 2018 so I am pretty sure it is from before the new standard was implemented. Doesn't look to have the reflective bits based on the picture.

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[drum118]

Yes.

There's a relatively recent example at Central Pkwy and Achill Crescent.

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Whereas here we can see what I am guessing is the old old standard that you're referring to, which I also vaguely remember seeing around more often in my childhood. The picture is from 2018 so I am pretty sure it is from before the new standard was implemented. Doesn't look to have the reflective bits based on the picture.

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Your first photo may see a change in traffic light colours when Kariya Dr is extended to Central Pkwy and they will widen the space between the current lights.

To be honest, I never pay attention to the colours of traffic lights as I am only interested what the colours of the light are.

 

[just east of the creek]

Following up on @Dan416 posting, took a quick drive today to have a look at the corridor before going to where I was to go. Was told the southbound would open when John St was pave by the white hats as there was still clearing to be done as well a number of other things. I guess the coming snow storm change that plan. Only one lane is open as well the new northbound lane to allow the removal of the asphalt where the guideway is to go on both side of Fairview whit 2 crews doing the work.

The area for the missing curb at the substation is paved with the sidewalk with the sidewalk acting as the curb.

From the CP bridge to Hillcrest, the southbound lane waiting to be pave with a trap on the area. The 2 other corners are not trap.

Crew looks like they are cleaning up the close lane for the northbound lanes to open those close off lanes.

The northbound lanes between the Queensway and North service Rd is also trap that is ready for paving.

From Paisley to the Queensway, southbound curb and sidewalk is being remove.

Fail to note the Burnhamthorpe station platform is framed and waiting for concrete to be pour for it.

Don't know why the curb lanes are still close for the 403 overpass as well on both sides of it as it been ready for weeks to be open.

Watch a batch of students crossing the tracks at Bristol to get to McD and the plaza as there is no centre barriers there.

As for traffic light, yellow is the name of the game with black for cycles and transit.

As for Steeles station, ML needs to do something fast to allow Mobilinx to build it on the north side with money to do so, otherwise we will have another Burnhamthorpe mess on our hands. Lack of funds and Mobilinx sticking to its contract, the Burnhamthorpe wye did not happen as stated by Mobilinx since 2020 to early 2024 who said it would happen. The same applies to Steeles.

@just east of the creek, there will be no bike lanes on the Lakeshore as there there is a bike path south of the road as part of the Marin Goodmen Trail right across Mississauga Waterfront.

@Admiral Beez , As for opening, that is in another posting to follow as well more detail of the corridor with late 2026-2028 as a timeframe

Drum. Thanks for the info, and we are way off topic, but the trail (in PC known as the Great Lakes Trail), is a complete copout as a transit bike lane. This trail is a recreational, meandering, see all the waterfront views, recreational trail. The lack of meaningful bike lanes in an area under heavy redevelopment is a copout by Mississauga. Much like we see with the rebuilt sections of the Lakeshore in Oakville and Burlington. And the trail has not changed much in the past forty years since I used to bike to PC from Clarkson or Oakville. Anyways, this is not your problem and I am not criticizing your reporting., Thanks again for the info.

 

[drum118]

Drum. Thanks for the info, and we are way off topic, but the trail (in PC known as the Great Lakes Trail), is a complete copout as a transit bike lane. This trail is a recreational, meandering, see all the waterfront views, recreational trail. The lack of meaningful bike lanes in an area under heavy redevelopment is a copout by Mississauga. Much like we see with the rebuilt sections of the Lakeshore in Oakville and Burlington. And the trail has not changed much in the past forty years since I used to bike to PC from Clarkson or Oakville. Anyways, this is not your problem and I am not criticizing your reporting., Thanks again for the info.

Not my area of use, but the city has said there are no plans for bike lanes on the Lakeshore and has refer the current one as part of the MGT. I have never seen or walked that section and have no idea what it looks like.

I have heard comments about the trail for various parts of the waterfront, but haven't follow it since I have no need for it. I leave it to the cycling committee to deal with it, if you have concerns on cycling on the waterfront area or elsewhere, you can attend one of their meetings to raise your concerns that will have members of council on it.

With the plan BRT ROW for the Lakeshore, there is no room for a bike lane and more so for it and the ROW between Cawthra and Mississauga Rd. The only way an LRT can work for that area , it has to be tunnel and why the HLRT extension to both PC and Brightwater was removed from the plan.

 

[JJTheJetPln]

Couldn't get any photos while I was driving but the North side / South side of Hurontario / 401 have poles for the gantries installed / mounted on concrete. On the south side just over the 401, they've installed one of the gantries already with the traffic signals covered up for the time being.

 

[drum118]

Couldn't get any photos while I was driving but the North side / South side of Hurontario / 401 have poles for the gantries installed / mounted on concrete. On the south side just over the 401, they've installed one of the gantries already with the traffic signals covered up for the time being.

They been up for most of the year and there are shots of them are somewhere in the photos I have posted. There is a shot of the transit light before been cover up as well..98% of the OS poles are up from the yard to Waltline. All the new traffic lights that are installed are all cover up and stand to be corrected as far south as Elm Dr from Topflight.

March 03/24