Northern Light
Superstar
Yes, this is how it's handled currently, not how it is proposed to be handled.
kotsy
Senior Member
Railings/traffic guards like this would've been very appreciated on the the new series of bridges instead of what they used.
Toronto Rocks
Active Member
This is Toronto planning at its best. John Tory and Enbridge's PR Department did not address why this project was not started and completed BEFORE they tore down the east part of the Gardiner. John Tory dangles a future announcement, but we all know it going to be many many years of traffic getting worse before it ever gets better.
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Traffic along Lake Shore near Jarvis has drivers waiting hours
Toronto traffic along Lake Shore Boulevard caused by construction has become a nightmare for drivers, with some waiting hours to move.
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DSC
Superstar
This Enbridge project was not planned (or, I think, even contemplated) when the Gardiner was torn down and the exact route for the new/replacement pipeline not determined until even later - initially they wanted to dig up all of Queens Quay. That said, the traffic on Lake Shore - particularly westbound - HAS been dreadful for several months and it has not been helped by the fact that the blockage of Cherry @ Lake Shore meant (means) vehicles cannot filter off at Cherry. This seems to be getting ready to be able to be opened, at least for west to northbound traffic but ... It should also be noted that the demolition of the east end of the Gardiner needed to happen before the work on the Lake Shore new bridge over the Don needed because of the widening the lower Don so this really was a perfect storm of major projects that needed to be done in the right order.This is Toronto planning at its best. John Tory and Enbridge's PR Department did not address why this project was not started and completed BEFORE they tore down the east part of the Gardiner. John Tory dangles a future announcement, but we all know it going to be many many years of traffic getting worse before it ever gets better.
Traffic along Lake Shore near Jarvis has drivers waiting hours
Toronto traffic along Lake Shore Boulevard caused by construction has become a nightmare for drivers, with some waiting hours to move.
Toronto Rocks
Active Member
Yes but that brings us back to planning, if the said gas pipes were so old, why was this not planned for in advance? Clearly Enbridge was aware of the growth plans for the area for a number of years and the age of their infrastructure. We knew the Garinder would be demolished for years. What was the cause of this emergency repair and why the Queens Quay route not used? Our city planners need to explain why and how these decesions are made. Why was the info not replayed to residents in advance? This project has been causing delays for months. In the late summer, the delay was further east and it bottle necked at the Jarvis on-ramp and Police had to be posted at that onramp due to road rage. As the elderly lady shown in the video states, it should not take over three hour hours to travel 2-3 kms. This is cleartly not acceptable and Toronto residents (and businesses) need accurate timelines to help manage their expectations.
A fluff quote from Enbridge's PR Dept and a future promise from the Mayor is just not cutting it anymore.
DSC
Superstar
In my experience Enbridge work quite fast and tidy up their sites when the work is done. Toronto Hydro are FAR worse 'citizens"! Could both of them plan a bit better? Yes, of course though much of their upgrade work needs to get permission from their regulator so they do not have total control over when approvals will be granted.
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70Challenger
Active Member
Me who takes the train: What is this "traffic" you speak of?
UtakataNoAnnex
Senior Member
Agreed...there are multiple options to commute that does not require firing up the stinking gas guzzlers. Please use them when you can.
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maestro
Senior Member
Doesn't traffic affect the majority of transit routes in the city? Discouraging car usage by making it impractical with bottlenecks ( a patio in the curb lane of a rush hour route ) or road designs (right hand turn lanes instead of left hand turn lanes on streets with a single traffic lane in each direction) discourages transit usage just the same.
SKULL_KRUSHER
New Member
70Challenger mentioned trains, which wouldn't be affected by traffic. But your point is well taken. Buses and streetcars (where they don't have dedicated lanes) are certainly affected the same way as cars.
Toronto Rocks
Active Member
Think of that truck headed to Loblaws, The LCBO, Crappy Tire, or your local dinner. How does that affect the price they charge them (ultimately us), if they are sitting over 3 hours just to travel 2 KMs? We all pay one way or another for bad planning.
Neil
Active Member
And businesses that choose to have their deliveries during non-peak hours will not see a difference. Everyone has options.
evandyk
Senior Member
And if you reduce the number of cars with one person, you enable trucks packed with stuff that hundreds of people need to get around more efficiently.