I will put this here for the time being. The strike at Canada Post is accelerating speculation of a privatization. And as they have 3? large properties in The Portlands and Eastern Avenue I thought that it might be worth mentioning it as it would be a dramatic development that most said was unlikely.

What is the going rate for waterfront property in central Toronto now?!

 
rdaner said:
I will put this here for the time being. The strike at Canada Post is accelerating speculation of a privatization. And as they have 3? large properties in The Portlands and Eastern Avenue I thought that it might be worth mentioning it as it would be a dramatic development that most said was unlikely.

What is the going rate for waterfront property in central Toronto now?!

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This is highly speculative.......redevelopment of CP's facility here (which any private buyer would initially retain) is directly across from the main sewage treatment facility and a streetcar yard, the combination of which would not lend itself to high-end residential.

That may yet come, as we're seeing proposals nearby, on Queen and Eastern, but its very premature here.
 
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Let’s hope they don’t privatize…and sell those properties anyways.
 
rdaner said:
I will put this here for the time being. The strike at Canada Post is accelerating speculation of a privatization. And as they have 3? large properties in The Portlands and Eastern Avenue I thought that it might be worth mentioning it as it would be a dramatic development that most said was unlikely.

What is the going rate for waterfront property in central Toronto now?!

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IF Canada Post were sold the buyer would still need these modern plants. You might as well start a discussion on whether a new owner might paint mail boxes blue or green.
 
^I placed this here as the properties are inside the WT boundary and will further state that I have zero knowledge of the workings/needs of delivery companies. However properties of this size are now rare and over the long-term provide immense potential and returns. And any change would likely be phased and begin with the least problematic edges although I don’t believe that treatment plants have been a huge deterrent to nearby development elsewhere.

In the end this is speculative but 1) the timelines for development of the areas outside of Villiers Island were stated in decades but may happen much sooner and 2) any entity that buys CP will likely have ideas as how to rationalize/update operations to reduce its physical footprint and better utilize them.

Even if only one of these properties goes it will have a pretty big impact on the area.
 
After reading the document provided by NL I did see a few items worth highlighting as they do give a clear direction of what is coming next as far as specific proposals.

The first is an image of what is being seen for Biidaasige Park on the northeast corner of Ookwamen Island at the southern terminus of the new pedestrian bridge. Though rough it proposes an event space similar to the Elbweisena, a large sloping lawn on the river in Dresden. Adjacent properties are seen as having ‘meanwhile’ uses until development which intrigues me as that could be anything these days as we are getting quite good at temporary but interesting facilities e.g. Stackt, Cirque de Soliel.

The second big take away for me is the creation of a new route from the east promenade of Parliament Slip to Biidesege Park and how this sets up what I think will be the next exciting proposals: the 3C lands with silo+tower on top and the announcement of a donor and architectural competition for the new cultural facility on the southeast corner of Parliament Slip.

The third thing is that with Quayside and the first 5 lots around Cherry ready for proposals there will be ~9,200 units of housing on 10% of The Portlands which shows the scale of what is possible.

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On another note. What does the intersection of (the future) Queens Quay extension and Cherry St look like? Is it transit only? Was just eyeballing the map and trying to think of where you’d put lights and how far apart and whether the lights on the QQ extension would be timed opposite of the lights on Lake Shore.

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Also, cmon big tech. Do another pass on the satellite and update these aerials. Hawc killing your game.
 
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On another note. What does the intersection of (the future) Queens Quay extension and Cherry St look like? Is it transit only? Was just eyeballing the map and trying to think of where you’d put lights and how far apart and whether the lights on the QQ extension would be timed opposite of the lights on Lake Shore.

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Also, cmon big tech. Do another pass on the satellite and update these aerials. Hawc killing your game.
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It’s not the focus of this review but there is a glimpse of how Queens Quay interfaces with the new Cherry St, which I believe is new:
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Also of note, there are changes to the typical road section. No more green track on LRT guideway to support fire, EMS, and replacement bus service. As a result, the 2 lane roadway can be reduced from 8.5m to 6.6m width. This saved width will go to additional green infrastructure.
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This was posted in another thread.
 
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This forum hates to hear it, but families with young kids NEED parking. It's just misery to try and get to somewhere without it. Yes it can be done, but my goodness it's barely worth it by the time you get there.
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I lived in the St Lawrence area with young kids without owning a car. We used Zipcar when necessary. Much cheaper.
 
I think you can certainly get by without OWNING a car, but there will be times you NEED a car when you've got a young family. Zipcar, Uber etc will always make more economic sense I agree.

I guess my overall point is that if the city starts designing new areas (particularly parks and playgrounds) with no easy parking it's going to discourage the key demographic that would use it. Unless the transit to get there is quick and easy.

We take transit to get to the ROM, AGO, Little Canada because in each case the transit to get to those places is reliable, frequent and basically drops you off right at the front door. Whereas there's no cheap/easy parking around those spots. We never took transit to OSC because it's a long, slow bus ride and there's plenty of cheap parking for members if you drive.

Taking the transit currently available to the Lower Don Lands would be a nightmare with kids.
 
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Taking the transit currently available to the Lower Don Lands would be a nightmare with kids.
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That is true but when there ARE residents and demand the transit will follow - though the City and Waterfront Toronto did promise 'transit first' for those who built along Queen's Quay East and we all know how well THAT has gone.
 
There are some circumstances where cars are needed. But with all other transportation options made available (or should be made available) they should be used sparingly, IMO.
 
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