No considerations were given to congested roads, absence of public transit, long lines at ER and family doctors (or the lack of), employment opportunities within the community and crowded classrooms....
 
A close up of the signs in question from this fellow's twitter:

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People like "Larry" don't get that high density new development needs supporting infrastructure. On the other hand, no amount of new infrastructure would convince many/most of the lawn sign folks. Makes me wish they were half as passionate about the potholes on their street as they are about their signs.
 
"Millionaire home owners don't want more traffic."

...neither really do the rest of us, Larry. But it's never about our plight, is it? /rollseyes
 
This is is the perfect place for infill density in east Markham. Eventually, the VIVA rapidways are being extended east (all the way to Cornell) and Centennial GO will have 15-minute service (in the next phase of GO expansion). In the meantime there's still the existing limited service on those lines.

There's also the long-term idea to have BRT along MCowan from Markville to STC (possibly further in each direction). This would be a relatively short trip to the new Line 2 terminus at Sheppard and McCowan.

This is a great location for commuting within Markham (York U campus, downtown Markham, or hospital, etc.) and for commuters to Toronto. Plus the mall itself has some good amenities.
 
canarob said:
This is is the perfect place for infill density in east Markham. Eventually, the VIVA rapidways are being extended east (all the way to Cornell) and Centennial GO will have 15-minute service (in the next phase of GO expansion). In the meantime there's still the existing limited service on those lines.

There's also the long-term idea to have BRT along MCowan from Markville to STC (possibly further in each direction). This would be a relatively short trip to the new Line 2 terminus at Sheppard and McCowan.

This is a great location for commuting within Markham (York U campus, downtown Markham, or hospital, etc.) and for commuters to Toronto. Plus the mall itself has some good amenities.
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But Metrolinx better grade separate McCowan and Kennedy, and YRT really needs to beef up services especially inside subdivisions, if they are serious about getting people to take transit. Congestion is already a nightmare now along these corridors...
 
hw621 said:
Their concerns are real though...
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"Real" is a state of mind. Whether it's backed by evidence is what truly matters and here, it's not. There was incorrect info about the number of people being accommodated and, despite being corrected, these folks refuse to update their info. The City doesn't have any significant concerns with the proposal and the NIMBYs can go fly a kite.
 
ProjectEnd said:
"Real" is a state of mind. Whether it's backed by evidence is what truly matters and here, it's not. There was incorrect info about the number of people being accommodated and, despite being corrected, these folks refuse to update their info.
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True and true.

ProjectEnd said:
The City doesn't have any significant concerns with the proposal and the NIMBYs can go fly a kite.
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The City is wrong though; and while NIMBYs flying kites is fine, and I take no issue w/redevelopment here, I don't think it's a very good proposal.

I will continue to oppose mall redevelopments that retain malls more or less as-is.

This layout seriously hampers optimal development and function for the site owner and for the community.
 
That's fair, but it's worth remembering though what this is all about: Cad Fairview's profitability and the City of Markham's ability to guide development. It might not be cutting edge urbanism (it certainly isn't), but it ticks all the boxes of Southern Ontario Planning Principles in 2023. There's not much more anyone can do besides that, unfortunately.
 
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