rdaner
Senior Member
After taking a little wonder through this area and seeing how advanced many of the applications are I am wondering if we will see more development here rather than on Villiers?
After taking a little wonder through this area and seeing how advanced many of the applications are I am wondering if we will see more development here rather than on Villiers?
The plan demonstrates a half dozen problems common to recent Toronto building projects. Generally, Toronto urban design policy faces no meaningful scrutiny at all. The waterfront panel – whose members have fewer ties to the city – have the power to offer such scrutiny, and last week they did.
While city staff want “fine-grained retail,” i.e. small shops, and pedestrian routes through the middle of blocks, this plan calls for buildings with giant footprints that impede those goals. The city wants density, but also wants towers to be 40 metres apart. (Mr. Masoud pointed out that this rule exists nowhere else in Toronto.) The city wants streets busy with pedestrians; yet it also wants to build enormously wide streets, all of them with cars. Plans call for a new stretch of Broadview Avenue to be 37.5 metres wide – bigger than University Avenue.
Like Villiers Island, @AlexBozikovic gives the thumbs down to the McCleary District plan.
On the waterfront, Toronto fumbles its plans for another new neighbourhood
https://www.theglobeandmail.com/can...fumbles-its-plans-for-another-new/?login=true (paywall)
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Valid points although I imagine that the presence of Harbour East Station and bus service will satisfy the initial residents/developers so no need to put everything on hold.
Alex has some legitimate complaints............but I'm afraid to say, once again fails a basic fact check, which detracts from his better points.
Below is the Right-of-Way Width map for the City. University Avenue is mostly in purple which is 45M or greater.
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Here's a real world distance measure of the University Avenue ROW just north of Dundas:
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That line is 55.1M wide.
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To be clear, the WT Panel was correct to be critical, and I agree with many of Alex's concerns, but when you provide inaccurate information in the service of good idea, you diminish the credibility of the idea.
I'll dissect some of the issues raised in further detail later today or tomorrow.
I don't like what the City's staff/consultants came up with either. It is possible to do better.
But I will add in advance, the area, as envisioned (total density) cannot support the vision that many of us would like, in part because transit access/service is so poor. Yes, high quality transit isn't that far away, but its not close enough to support both this type of density and a walkable, bikeable, transit-forward vision that is low on cars.
At this point, we need to either admit that at an enormous mistake was made in the transit scheme here, and drastically reduce the envisioned density; OR, we need to go back to the drawing board and come up with much better transit and an overhauled vision of everything east of Parliament that would align with that.
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Whatever level of density we aspire to; the concepts put forward are not conducive to the ideals being described (including by the City and WT).
How does the density for McCleary compare to Villiers?
Here are three screenshots from last week’s presentations by the city, and one of the private proponents.
@Northern Light you’re correct; my piece has an error, which has now been fixed.
There are multiple interwoven problems with the urban design here.
The basic strategy has been to impose tower and podium, but allow the podium and towers to both become taller, while keeping several of the streets very wide. (Saulter remains 31m ROW.) It’s tower and podium on steroids, and all the podium of the private buildings include so-called production space, which is being shown as film studio black boxes, self storage or a Home Depot.
No part of this makes sense. If the city is going to insist on film production related uses, which are probably not economical, those should be collected into one site and probably into one building.
loading and servicing should be integrated between buildings, reducing the presence of vehicles on the ground plane. The city has continuous ownership over 60% of this neighbourhood. Surely there is a way to make that happen at least in part.
The number of streets, and the universal presence of cars is a major strategic error. Vehicles here, as at Villiers, will need to be aggressively discouraged. It’s true that this is slightly out-of-the-way, yet it’s also walking distance to what will be one of the most important transit stations in the region. There’s the transportation strategy: walk to East Harbour. It’s not ideal, but it’s still better than 95% of the GTHA. Don’t like it? Don’t move here.
Every aspect of this project should incentivize active and mass transit and disincentive vehicle use. The urban design needs to shape the behaviour of residents, not respond to it.