[Hawrylyshyn]

I don’t even know what this league is. If it’s anything less than MLS I don’t know how it can grow. That said if Mississauga could steal the argos then that is something.

Canadian Premier League

8 teams in cities across Canada - Halifax, Ottawa, Toronto (York U), Hamilton, Winnipeg, Calgary, Vancouver (Langley), Victoria

Goal is to add 2 more teams by 2026. Many cities have groups that have expressed interest and are in discussion with the league:
Edmonton (previously had a team), Laval, , Kelowna, Kitchener, Waterloo, Windsor, Quebec City, Saskatoon, and the GTA

Average attendance is currently ~2000-6000 per game.

 

[sixrings]

Canadian Premier League

8 teams in cities across Canada - Halifax, Ottawa, Toronto (York U), Hamilton, Winnipeg, Calgary, Vancouver (Langley), Victoria

Goal is to add 2 more teams by 2026. Many cities have groups that have expressed interest and are in discussion with the league:
Edmonton (previously had a team), Laval, , Kelowna, Kitchener, Waterloo, Windsor, Quebec City, Saskatoon, and the GTA

Average attendance is currently ~2000-6000 per game.

Great but what made mls at least somewhat respectable is Beckham, Henry, Messi. Maybe attendance is so low because people like to be able to recognize the players a little better than high school athletes

I’d much rather Mississauga focus on being the home to mlse minor league teams. Including the bisons.

 

[Hawrylyshyn]

Great but what made mls at least somewhat respectable is Beckham, Henry, Messi. Maybe attendance is so low because people like to be able to recognize the players a little better than high school athletes

I’d much rather Mississauga focus on being the home to mlse minor league teams. Including the bisons.

No one is expecting it to compete with the MLS in terms of size/quality though (there are ex-MLS and European players). A league doesn't need to be this giant, ultra rich m(B)illionaire club with >20,000 person stadiums to be deemed successful.

Look at Europe, there are a seemingly infinite amount of leagues/divisions and clubs with supporters and stadiums, etc.

EDIT: Imagine a Canadian league, 5000-10000 seat stadiums. You have teams in Markham, Richmond Hill, Vaughn, Mississauga, etc.... gets some good rivalries going, affordable tickets, local guys playing on their teams, helps promote player development from youth levels, ultimately helps the National Team..

 

[sixrings]

No one is expecting it to compete with the MLS in terms of size/quality though (there are ex-MLS and European players). A league doesn't need to be this giant, ultra rich m(B)illionaire club with >20,000 person stadiums to be deemed successful.

Look at Europe, there are a seemingly infinite amount of leagues/divisions and clubs with supporters and stadiums, etc.

EDIT: Imagine a Canadian league, 5000-10000 seat stadiums. You have teams in Markham, Richmond Hill, Vaughn, Mississauga, etc.... gets some good rivalries going, affordable tickets, local guys playing on their teams, helps promote player development from youth levels, ultimately helps the National Team..

If you’re using prime land in MCC you might want to have higher expectations than just some nice friendly random rivalries.

 

[Hawrylyshyn]

I mean, it IS a professional soccer league...

Additionally, entertainment and recreation are valid and valuable land uses, not everything has to be condos. A stadium here (like every other stadium) wouldn't be used exclusively by a CPL team. Highschool sports, women's sports (a Canadian league is starting), concerts, football (CFL?), community events. It's right beside a huge residential area with transit. You wouldn't even need to build a huge parking lot, but rather make it European style and actually integrate into the community.

 

[Hawrylyshyn]

As an example TIDEWATER LANDING MULTI-PURPOSE STADIUM AND MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT:

"Located along the Seekonk River, Tidewater Landing features a pre-cast parking deck wrapped with two multi-family buildings, each containing 300 units. This mixed-use development also includes a 10,000-seat USL Championship League soccer stadium, an indoor events center for amateur sports, a hotel, a food hall, retail shops, parking garages, and a public plaza serves as a connection between the various buildings and the rive"

 

[ProjectEnd]

I hate MCC it has absolutely no culture. Just a mall and a parking lot. Well I guess there’s a central library, a civic square, an art gallery, and a performance venue for glass tiger. Now they’re thinking of adding a soccer field to this suburban disaster. Port credit is the only civilized place in Mississauga.

That was exactly the vision McLaughlin had, and Hazel spent decades executing:

Bruce McLaughlin: The Man Who Built Square One

It's not surprising that Bruce McLaughlin — who most often was described as a visionary by those who knew him and worked for him — had an office on the

www.mississauga.com

 

[sixrings]

As an example TIDEWATER LANDING MULTI-PURPOSE STADIUM AND MIXED-USE DEVELOPMENT:

"Located along the Seekonk River, Tidewater Landing features a pre-cast parking deck wrapped with two multi-family buildings, each containing 300 units. This mixed-use development also includes a 10,000-seat USL Championship League soccer stadium, an indoor events center for amateur sports, a hotel, a food hall, retail shops, parking garages, and a public plaza serves as a connection between the various buildings and the rive"

The population of Pawtucket is 75k people. Mississauga has at least 700k. We’re talking a 10x difference. Or how about other places our size have cfl, nhl, mlb teams. But here we’re talking about a minor minor sports team. I think that’s a mistake.

Again we are also taking not only about what we’re building but where we are building. This land is a limited resource.

 

[Hawrylyshyn]

Cities can (and should) have a variety though. Kansas City proper has a population of 508,090 people, and they just opened an 11,000 seat stadium for the Kansas City Current of the National Women's Soccer League.

Heck in Hamilton (~500,000 people) we have Tim Hortons Field (28,000 capacity) and Ron Joyce Stadium (6,000 capacity, expandable to 12,000) for football/soccer, Bernie Arbour Memorial Stadium (3,000 capacity) for baseball. Brian Timmis Stadium (soccer; 5,000 capacity) was torn down when Tim Hortons field was built.

I'm also not sure this specific site is big enough for a "major league" stadium? I could be wrong on that though.

 

[rdaner]

This is seen as a meanwhile use.

 

[sixrings]

Cities can (and should) have a variety though. Kansas City proper has a population of 508,090 people, and they just opened an 11,000 seat stadium for the Kansas City Current of the National Women's Soccer League.

Heck in Hamilton (~500,000 people) we have Tim Hortons Field (28,000 capacity) and Ron Joyce Stadium (6,000 capacity, expandable to 12,000) for football/soccer, Bernie Arbour Memorial Stadium (3,000 capacity) for baseball. Brian Timmis Stadium (soccer; 5,000 capacity) was torn down when Tim Hortons field was built.

I'm also not sure this specific site is big enough for a "major league" stadium? I could be wrong on that though.

Kansas city also has the chiefs and royals.

I know you said more but what stands out is that Hamilton has a 28k capacity field. They also have first Canada centre which has capacity of 19k for hockey basketball and concerts. I’m just confused why Mississauga cannot have higher aspirations than what is being proposed.

 

[Hawrylyshyn]

Kansas city also has the chiefs and royals.

I know you said more but what stands out is that Hamilton has a 28k capacity field. They also have first Canada centre which has capacity of 19k for hockey basketball and concerts. I’m just confused why Mississauga cannot have higher aspirations than what is being proposed.

Yup, I meant it more as a point of cities this size can support a variety of clubs/leagues. Should/could Mississauga have a big-time stadium? I definitely think so (if they can find a tenant).

Again, an issue here might be physical space for such a large stadium, although that's me just guessing.

Build this small one, gauge support, and if it's positive you're more likely to get a group propose a more major-league franchise to set up shop.

EDIT: being so close to (part of?) Toronto is definitely a hurdle too. They won't Mississauga creeping in on their market (Argos, Leafs, Raptors)

 

[sixrings]

Yup, I meant it more as a point of cities this size can support a variety of clubs/leagues. Should/could Mississauga have a big-time stadium? I definitely think so (if they can find a tenant).

Again, an issue here might be physical space for such a large stadium, although that's me just guessing.

Build this small one, gauge support, and if it's positive you're more likely to get a group propose a more major-league franchise to set up shop.

EDIT: being so close to (part of?) Toronto is definitely a hurdle too. They won't Mississauga creeping in on their market (Argos, Leafs, Raptors)

The raptor 905 already play here. The argonauts average only 15k despite Bmos capacity at 30k. They are not happy with those numbers. And yes the Marlies have a place but its capacity is only 7800 which is high for the league average of 6600 but too much for their 4200 attendance.

 

[SubHuman]

... I’m just confused why Mississauga cannot have higher aspirations than what is being proposed.

Mississauga can aspire to whatever it wants, but building a venue without a firm commitment from a pro team owner is putting the cart before the horse -- unless they're fine with having their own version of Lamport or Monarch Park Stadium that gets amateur sports teams and community use with little or nothing else.

 

[sixrings]

Mississauga can aspire to whatever it wants, but building a venue without a firm commitment from a pro team owner is putting the cart before the horse -- unless they're fine with having their own version of Lamport or Monarch Park Stadium that gets amateur sports teams and community use with little or nothing else.

I just want to be clear I’m happy about the idea. I just think it can be more ambitious. And sure let’s strike a deal with mlse that we will build a new 10k facility and it can host the 905 and leafs while being a concert venue the rest of the time.